Civic Type R After-market Wheel Guide

Advan Racing RZ-DF 18x9.5 +35 with Bridgestone Potenza S-04 265/35/18

Rays Gram Lights 57DR Gloss Black 18x9.5 +38 w/ Firehawk Indy 500 265/35/18 on Spoon Springs. No rubbing.

Ouhei said:

Rays Gram Lights 57DR Gloss Black 18x9.5 +38 w/ Firehawk Indy 500 265/35/18 on Spoon Springs. No rubbing.

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Hey could we get a close up of the decal on the 57s? thanks!

jetydosa said:

Hey could we get a close up of the decal on the 57s? thanks!

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Sure, they’re the optional decals from Rays. You can get them here:

https://www.kamispeed.com/products/gram-light-57cr-and-57dr-white-spoke-decal-pair



Since people will probably ask, the center caps are custom 3D printed I got off eBay and covered in gloss black vinyl to match the wheels. If you order them contact the seller and tell him they’re for 57DRs as he has the measurements to make them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rays-Volk-...mm-face-dust-covers-custom-logo-/283279043673

23Red said:

ESR SR12 18x9.5 +40
Federal SS-595 265/35/18
Lowered on Eibach Pro-Kits

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Great look. Where did you buy the wheels/tires? I think that set up would be perfect.

ninjawordsmith said:

Great look. Where did you buy the wheels/tires? I think that set up would be perfect.

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Ebay

I used their 15% off code a few weeks ago so the wheels/tires came out to ~$1k. Not bad for a budget setup IMO.

Just picked up a CTR and now looking at some wheels, what do you all think about the Gram Lights, or Titan 7’s? Pros or cons? Or maybe some other suggestions, right now still stock suspension, might eventually do some springs but that will probably be it for a while and would like to run a 265/40 tire without any rubbing issues.

Quick shot of the junk in the truck. New set from BC Forged NA. 19x9 +50 on Michelin PS4S 265/30. Better pictures will be coming soon.

Hopefully have a chance to take better shots tomorrow.

Noize said:

You’re entitled to these opinions, but from my vantage point, you’re WAY overthinking it.

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This is why the internet is so great. Because whenever I just ain't thinking right, someone on a forum that doesn't know me or know anything about me can set me straight.

I’ll address some of this stuff because I’m fighting a cold that’s giving me insomnia.

This scrub radius thing has become almost like OCD for some CTR owners.

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I am not OCD. I am an automotive/motorsports engineer. I know how things work. There is a difference between obsessing over whether or not something is right, and KNOWING whether or not it is right.

I’m on second set of aftermarket wheels. My first ones poked too much for my liking (18x9.5+35 255/40/18), and I would get minor rear fender to tire contact (not enough to mark the tires) in the rear over expansion joints at interstate speeds in comfort mode only.

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So you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that, in fact, my statement about the +35ET causing rubbing is valid. Thanks for the confirmation.

The car had very minor torque steer that I could feel on the +35s compared to stock. That was a Rays G07EX wheel designed for BMW fitment. My removal and selling of them had everything to do with performance Bridgestones that ran wide causing tire contact.

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And now you are saying that you also have personally-observed empirical evidence that too much outward offset also causes torque steer. Thanks again for confirming my expectations.

I went to Saga 18x9.5 +45 and they won’t rub the fender no matter what I do. Transferred the rubber over to the new wheels. Still very minor torque steer, and it’s a sliver of a fraction compared to any other performance focused boosted FWD car I’ve ever driven. Honda got this car right.

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Now you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that even at ET45, you still have extra torque steer. Like I said.

I thought the point of your post was to demonstrate that I am wrong. I must be missing something.

My point is this: The only reason people are making a huge deal about altering the scrub radius is because Honda published that the car was designed to have perfect scrub radius. If that blurb was not included in the press releases for the car, no one would ever notice aftermarket wheels inducing “tinkerbell” torque steer or commenting on it.

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I have never seen any such published statements. So sorry, got the wrong person here. And I wouldn't believe a statement about "perfect" scrub radius anyway. There is no such thing as perfect scrub radius, and no reputable Honda engineer would make such a claim.

There are guys tracking on +40 offset 9.5” wheels with 265w rubber that will OBLITERATE the stock 20” wheels and any tire you can put on them around a racetrack. Obsessing over Tinkerbell torque steer isn’t their thing. Going fast as possible around a track is. If you really want to address something slowing us down, figure out the cooling issues on track, because they are many and not easy to fix.

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What someone does for a track-only race car is pretty irrelevant to me. I am not building a track car, I am building a DD street car. Racing is a series of trade-offs. It may be beneficial for them to sacrifice torque steer to gain in some other area. Different needs, different sacrifices.

And this is assuming that they even know why they did what they did in the first place. I deal with racing people all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me how many racing people do things with no real idea or understanding of why, what the overall effects will be, or what the expectations of the change will be. Usually they are just doing what they saw someone else do, or listening to someone on an internet forum tell them how they should do things.

Cooling fix: More airflow. Unless you get more mass air flow through the heat exchangers, nothing is going to help very much. Go find my posts in the Mishimoto oil cooler thread for a more detailed response on the subject. This race-condition cooling problem is a negative side-effect of having a car with aero based on the needs of a highway car trying to maximize drag efficiency at cruising speeds and cruising power/heat rejection demands. Different needs, different sacrifices.

I call total BS on production numbers hitting 100k. Demand is not that high for the CTR. We’re just over a quarter way there, but more than halfway through the production cycle, and they’ll idle Swindon down before they shutter it.

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The entire world's supply of hatchback Civics is produced in Swindon, do you actually think Honda will slow down making hatchbacks? No, they will maintain full production until the end of the 2021 model, then they will close the doors and start US production for the all-new 2022.

Not that high? They are selling them as fast as they can make them. It looks like they made close to 20k for 2018, and there is an expected 5-year run with the first year being short at the startup of production. Last time I checked 5x20=100. But who knows what Honda will actually do, they could decide to stop production tomorrow just because they can. Or double production just because they can. I am just projecting the current trend. And for the record, I said APPROACHING 100k. Not the same thing as HITTING.

Aftermarket manufacturers don’t make +60 because they look goofy and sit very far in the fenders.

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They don't make them because they don't have forgings to make them, and they don't want to invest in making them. Cheaper to keep selling what they have, and keep selling us on the idea that what they want to make is what we actually need.

Add 1/2" to the outside of the wheel to move it closer to the fender. Add 1/2" to the inside to make a wheel 1" than stock, with +60 Offset and no added torque steer issues. All problems solved.

If you like the Saga, there’s an 18x9+50 that will move the inside of the wheel less than 4mm from stock and the outside of the wheel 16mm.

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I have seen it. Enkei makes the same thing. Tell me how this is better than my above 18x9.5 ET60?

The performance difference of the lighter wheel/wider tire combo will more than compensate for slight change in offset.

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You have evidence to back up that statement?

As a bonus, your CTR won’t ride like a log wagon anymore, nor will you bend a wheel if you accidentally run over a paper clip.

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Have not bent one yet, but that day will come.

Wheels: TE37 18X9.5 +38
Tires: 255/40/18 Yokohama AD08R
Springs: Swift
Alignment: -2 Front (guide pins removed), -2.5 Rear
Fender modifications: Front fender tab by the side marker has to be bent flat towards the fender and the liner trimmed. Rear flare has to be trimmed. Rear quarter panel remains untouched.
Rubbing: Very minor in the rear at higher speeds when encountering a larger dip in the road. Otherwise, for daily driving at least 95% rubbing free.

@Florence_NC ignore him...it's all rubbish and 50% bs and 50% regurgitating things he learned/grabbed from others. move on...don't waste your time on this one. it's hard educating people sometime...i personally gave up.

Florence_NC said:

This is why the internet is so great. Because whenever I just ain't thinking right, someone on a forum that doesn't know me or know anything about me can set me straight.

I am not OCD. I am an automotive/motorsports engineer. I know how things work. There is a difference between obsessing over whether or not something is right, and KNOWING whether or not it is right.



So you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that, in fact, my statement about the +35ET causing rubbing is valid. Thanks for the confirmation.



And now you are saying that you also have personally-observed empirical evidence that too much outward offset also causes torque steer. Thanks again for confirming my expectations.


Now you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that even at ET45, you still have extra torque steer. Like I said.

I thought the point of your post was to demonstrate that I am wrong. I must be missing something.


I have never seen any such published statements. So sorry, got the wrong person here. And I wouldn't believe a statement about "perfect" scrub radius anyway. There is no such thing as perfect scrub radius, and no reputable Honda engineer would make such a claim.


What someone does for a track-only race car is pretty irrelevant to me. I am not building a track car, I am building a DD street car. Racing is a series of trade-offs. It may be beneficial for them to sacrifice torque steer to gain in some other area. Different needs, different sacrifices.

And this is assuming that they even know why they did what they did in the first place. I deal with racing people all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me how many racing people do things with no real idea or understanding of why, what the overall effects will be, or what the expectations of the change will be. Usually they are just doing what they saw someone else do, or listening to someone on an internet forum tell them how they should do things.

Cooling fix: More airflow. Unless you get more mass air flow through the heat exchangers, nothing is going to help very much. Go find my posts in the Mishimoto oil cooler thread for a more detailed response on the subject. This race-condition cooling problem is a negative side-effect of having a car with aero based on the needs of a highway car trying to maximize drag efficiency at cruising speeds and cruising power/heat rejection demands. Different needs, different sacrifices.


The entire world's supply of hatchback Civics is produced in Swindon, do you actually think Honda will slow down making hatchbacks? No, they will maintain full production until the end of the 2021 model, then they will close the doors and start US production for the new 2022.

Not that high? They are selling them as fast as they can make them. It looks like they made close to 20k for 2018, and there is an expected 5-year run with the first year being short at the startup of production. Last time I checked 5x20=100. But who knows what Honda will actually do, they could decide to stop production tomorrow just because they can. Or double production just because they can. I am just projecting the current trend. And for the record, I said APPROACHING 100k. Not the same thing as HITTING.


They don't make them because they don't have forgings to make them, and they don't want to invest in making them. Cheaper to keep selling what they have, and keep selling us on the idea that what we need.

Add 1/2" to the outside of the wheel to move it closer to the fender. Add 1/2" to the inside to make a wheel 1" than stock, with +60 Offset and no added torque steer issues. All problems solved.


I have seen it. Enkei makes the same thing. Tell how this is better than my above 18x9.5 ET60?

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The performance difference of the lighter wheel/wider tire combo will more than compensate for slight change in offset.[/QUOTE]You have evidence to back up that statement?

Have not bent one yet, but that day will come.[/QUOTE]

LansocK said:

Hopefully have a chance to take better shots tomorrow.

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classic bbs old school mesh style...love it! nice wheels! too much of volks these days, nice but common.

waiting for a very special bespoke 1 set of 1 forged wheels to be made for me....reminiscing of the good old days of bbs mesh ;-)

Florence_NC said:

This is why the internet is so great. Because whenever I just ain't thinking right, someone on a forum that doesn't know me or know anything about me can set me straight.

I am not OCD. I am an automotive/motorsports engineer. I know how things work. There is a difference between obsessing over whether or not something is right, and KNOWING whether or not it is right.



So you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that, in fact, my statement about the +35ET causing rubbing is valid. Thanks for the confirmation.



And now you are saying that you also have personally-observed empirical evidence that too much outward offset also causes torque steer. Thanks again for confirming my expectations.


Now you are saying that you have personally-observed empirical evidence that even at ET45, you still have extra torque steer. Like I said.

I thought the point of your post was to demonstrate that I am wrong. I must be missing something.


I have never seen any such published statements. So sorry, got the wrong person here. And I wouldn't believe a statement about "perfect" scrub radius anyway. There is no such thing as perfect scrub radius, and no reputable Honda engineer would make such a claim.


What someone does for a track-only race car is pretty irrelevant to me. I am not building a track car, I am building a DD street car. Racing is a series of trade-offs. It may be beneficial for them to sacrifice torque steer to gain in some other area. Different needs, different sacrifices.

And this is assuming that they even know why they did what they did in the first place. I deal with racing people all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me how many racing people do things with no real idea or understanding of why, what the overall effects will be, or what the expectations of the change will be. Usually they are just doing what they saw someone else do, or listening to someone on an internet forum tell them how they should do things.

Cooling fix: More airflow. Unless you get more mass air flow through the heat exchangers, nothing is going to help very much. Go find my posts in the Mishimoto oil cooler thread for a more detailed response on the subject. This race-condition cooling problem is a negative side-effect of having a car with aero based on the needs of a highway car trying to maximize drag efficiency at cruising speeds and cruising power/heat rejection demands. Different needs, different sacrifices.


The entire world's supply of hatchback Civics is produced in Swindon, do you actually think Honda will slow down making hatchbacks? No, they will maintain full production until the end of the 2021 model, then they will close the doors and start US production for the all-new 2022.

Not that high? They are selling them as fast as they can make them. It looks like they made close to 20k for 2018, and there is an expected 5-year run with the first year being short at the startup of production. Last time I checked 5x20=100. But who knows what Honda will actually do, they could decide to stop production tomorrow just because they can. Or double production just because they can. I am just projecting the current trend. And for the record, I said APPROACHING 100k. Not the same thing as HITTING.


They don't make them because they don't have forgings to make them, and they don't want to invest in making them. Cheaper to keep selling what they have, and keep selling us on the idea that what they want to make is what we actually need.

Add 1/2" to the outside of the wheel to move it closer to the fender. Add 1/2" to the inside to make a wheel 1" than stock, with +60 Offset and no added torque steer issues. All problems solved.


I have seen it. Enkei makes the same thing. Tell me how this is better than my above 18x9.5 ET60?

You have evidence to back up that statement?

Have not bent one yet, but that day will come.

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Not OCD? After that reply, I beg to differ. So much wind! Are you and ctrmofo related?

Welcome to iggy.

Noize said:

Not OCD? After that reply, I beg to differ. So much wind! Are you and ctrmofo related?

Welcome to iggy.

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So hold on a minute. You write me a miniature manifesto while stoned on cold medicine. I then respond to your less-well-known Mein Kampf with a response of about equal length, basically destroying everything you said piece by piece, and this is the best you can come back with????

Guess we know who won the internet tonight Boys!!!!!!! Yeeeee Haaaaaaaaaa


PS: I have no idea who iggy and ctrmofo are. Sorry.