Farewell Civic, Hello Tesla

rraayy3 said:

Does Tesla accept trade ins? I’ve tinkered with the website, it appears I’d have to sell my car and use the cash as the down payment? Maybe in a few years

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They accept trade ins, but you won’t like their offer.

But they say the 1.5T isn't going to be reliable . Thats all.

Tesla makes a sweet coal powered car! Nice choice.

HSFBunny said:

Tesla makes a sweet coal powered car! Nice choice.

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That’s a joke my crazy uncle would make. I guess that means I can roll coal better than anyone...

HSFBunny said:

Tesla makes a sweet coal powered car! Nice choice.

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In the US the electric energy (not ALL energy) is made from 33% natural gas, 30% coal, 20% nuclear, 7% hydro, allegedly 10% everything else.

I would be happy to have a Tesla now if I was willing to spend the money. But I’m grateful to early adopters like OP for their support of the technology and infrastructure, so it’s ready for me faster.
I notice the 3 is same size but one third heavier (at just over 4000 lb) than my car.

Gruber said:

In the US the electric energy (not ALL energy) is made from 33% natural gas, 30% coal, 20% nuclear, 7% hydro, allegedly 10% everything else.

I would be happy to have a Tesla now if I was willing to spend the money. But I’m grateful to early adopters like OP for their support of the technology and infrastructure, so it’s ready for me faster.
I notice the 3 is same size but one third heavier (at just over 4000 lb) than my car.

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Battery apparently adds a ton of weight to the car, but the unique awd/braking system balance it out quite well. From what I’ve heard they are very fun to drive

WhatTheFun said:

That’s a joke my crazy uncle would make. I guess that means I can roll coal better than anyone...

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I like the car. I am challenging the claim that electric cars are "zero emissions".

HSFBunny said:

I like the car. I am challenging the claim that electric cars are "zero emissions".

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hmmm, just because I was curious

8,887 grams of CO2/gallon of gasoline for 35.7 miles
(https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gases-equivalencies-calculator-calculations-and-references)

35.7 miles/1g * 26kwh/100miles = 9.3 kwh

IL = 847 lbs/mwh = 384g/kwh
(https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/illinois/)

9.3 x 384 = 3530 g or about 40% of the C02 as the civic.

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For US avg of 1,009 lbs/mwh = 48% of the C02
For hydroelectric Vermont at 16 lbs*/mwh = 0.8% of the C02.

WhatTheFun said:

The time has come to move on from my Civic. It has served me well for over 90k miles and has been the most fuel efficient vehicle I have ever owned (35.7 mpg lifetime avg). It rode smooth and really had no complaints. Except that pesky dash rattle that the dealer or I could never solve. The technology in the Civic was a leap forward from my previous vehicles, Lane keep assisit, Apple CarPlay, etc. I will always look at the Civic as a really solid all-arounder, it did so many things well. But now its time for the next chapter... enter the Model 3 Dual motor. I hope that I have as good of things to say about it after 90k miles.

The future is electric and the trade-off between performance and efficiency is on another level, I really hope Honda gets on board. This is a Civic forum so I won't dive into the details about the Tesla.

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Ummm, where are the door handles? Those things in the doors look decorative so how do you open the doors?

totopo said:

hmmm, just because I was curious

8,887 grams of CO2/gallon of gasoline for 35.7 miles
(https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gases-equivalencies-calculator-calculations-and-references)

35.7 miles/1g * 26kwh/100miles = 9.3 kwh

IL = 847 lbs/mwh = 384g/kwh
(https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/illinois/)

9.3 x 384 = 3530 g or about 40% of the C02 as the civic.

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For US avg of 1,009 lbs/mwh = 48% of the C02
For hydroelectric Vermont at 16 lbs*/mwh = 0.8% of the C02.

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That is a evasive method of measuring emissions that car companies use to paint a deceptive picture. If you charge a Tesla with a 1KW diesel generator, do you call that "zero emissions"? Of course not.

As soon as you plug an electric car into the electrical grid to charge it's battery, it is absolutely producing huge amounts of emissions. The emissions already occurred off site. The electricity coming out of your wall outlet isn't from magic. A power plant generates power. Your wall outlet is a transmission line. A battery stores power, and acts as part of the transmission line. The Tesla's electric motor coverts the stored power to kinetic force.

You can make an unbroken line of electrons from a coal burning power plant all the way to the Tesla's electric motor.

To be clear, I am not bashing on Telsa. I like the car. But the notion of zero emission electric cars is false.

totopo said:

hmmm, just because I was curious

8,887 grams of CO2/gallon of gasoline for 35.7 miles
(https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gases-equivalencies-calculator-calculations-and-references)

35.7 miles/1g * 26kwh/100miles = 9.3 kwh

IL = 847 lbs/mwh = 384g/kwh
(https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/illinois/)

9.3 x 384 = 3530 g or about 40% of the C02 as the civic.

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For US avg of 1,009 lbs/mwh = 48% of the C02
For hydroelectric Vermont at 16 lbs*/mwh = 0.8% of the C02.

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Hmm, guess this doesn't include line losses. Didn't read it carefully, I should have just used the emission factor from (https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gases-equivalencies-calculator-calculations-and-references)

So at 1,559 lbs CO2/MWh it's at 74% of the C02 of the civic at the US average

What did your insurance say? My guy told me a Tesla would be about a 25 percent spike in my rates, worse if I let my son drive it.

Electric cars have no personality. The engine noise is what gives a car its personality. Teslas are overpriced golf carts.

Victor1507 said:

Electric cars have no personality. The engine noise is what gives a car its personality. Teslas are overpriced golf carts.

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It’s my nightmare car. I’m perfectly happy with the ancient dinosaur combustion engine cars. Less than 2 min to fill up and I’m good for 400 miles. And gas is cheap