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Hey all, I am a new member to this forum and new owner of a FK8 Type R. I had originally posted this in the other thread about cars we are coming from, but figured I would make a new thread since I had an issue and wanted to see how many other people have a similar one. I get the 4th gear lock-out about once every time I drive while down-shifting from 5th to 4th. No gear grinds or other issues at all. I am wondering if disabling rev matching will resolve the issue. I know others have had the issue but I didn't see any solutions in the issues/repairs section. It isn't super bothersome but if there is a quick fix that would be great. I don't think it is worth taking into the dealership.

I am coming from a 2017 AG GT350 with electronics package and wrote a little comparison below for anyone interested. Excited to put some more miles on my car and warmer weather!

Had the GT350 for 2 years and put about 12K miles on it. Every time I drove that car it felt like an occasion. The Voodoo motor really felt like something special, being able to rev a 5.2 liter V8 to its 8250 redline was amazing, instant response and linear power all the way through rev range. The only slight downside was 6th gear was pretty much useless and had no passing power. However even driving around town at low speeds really felt special because of that amazing exhaust note. I could listen to that all day long and not get sick of it, the exhaust was on sport mode 100% of the time.


It's hard to compare to the type R given the obvious differences in size, weight, and drive wheels. Rear wheel drive is obviously a ton of fun but much less forgiving, getting the tail to whip out is quite exhilarating and of course much less forgiving if something goes wrong. The car really felt great on a windy road where you could let the motor stretch its legs. For regular driving I really liked that I could individually set the steering, throttle response, and suspension. My regular go to set up was sport in everything with suspension set to comfort unless I was driving hard. This is one of my gripes with the type R but not a huge deal. Also I loved the recaro buckets in the GT350 super supportive and more comfortable than the type R seats for me at least. I do prefer the look of the type R seats though. The gear box in the GT350 was much better than the type R, no weird lock outs and never had a gear grind, very positive feedback and smooth. In the time I had the car I had zero issues mechanically no rattles or build quality issues which was surprising. To really get the most out of that car and see what it was capable of you needed to track it, and on the track it really was something special.

Now I have a 2019 SGP Type R but have only had it for about 1.5 months with about 1000 miles on it. Picked up my car about 2.5 hours away in Scranton PA and paid 500 over MSRP which I was okay with because it was the only SGP I could find. Weather hasn't been great so I've only been able to drive in a spirited manner a few times on some good roads. I really like the darty feel of the car especially with the torque coming in so low in the rev range. This makes overtaking much easier even in 6th gear. the auto rev match is nice but I have had the 4th gear lockout when downshifting from 5th maybe 6-8 times. I am not sure why it is happening. The car is much lighter and you can tell this instantly which is great. Obviously it being a hatch with 4 doors is a big plus and one of the reasons I chose it. I really need to put more miles on the car and drive it in warmer weather and really test the levels of grip. Overall I can tell it is going to be a very car and looking forward to testing it at the limit.

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Congrats on the new car!

4th gear "lockout" seems pretty common in this car although I'm not sure I agree with calling it a lockout. There is a reverse lockout when moving forward and there is no way to even get it started going into reverse. 4th for me just feels like it won't go all the way sometimes.
In my experience, when I've had issue getting into 4th, a quick release and press of the clutch pedal while in neutral was enough to then get it into 4th gear. It is kind of annoying but not bad enough for me to be worried about it. My previous honda MT would do the same thing for 1st and 3rd gear. I guess I just got used to it.
 

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We also just got a 2019 Sonic Grey Pearl CTR. I haven't experienced any issues with the transmission so far, but we baby it as it's still in break in. What is actually happening for a 4th gear lockout? Are you just driving normally and it won't let you shift into 4th? Or more spirited?
 


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So like Redgiant said it's not a true lock out, it goes half way to one third way into gear and the auto rev match brings up the rpms like its in gear but I can tell it is it not so I never let the clutch out. I would say slightly spirited driving downshifting from 5th at say 3.5-5K RPM, but letting out the clutch in neutral and then trying again with clutch depressed works without issue. It's not a huge deal just a strange thing that happens every once in a while. Not something I am really worried about, maybe just a quirk of the car.
 

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Fixes all gear grinding, etc, unless you have a serious issue.

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I never liked the term lockout to describe the 4th gear issue since pop-out is a much better description of what happens. It gets into gear just enough that the ECU reads the car as in gear and you can get power across, but the shift lever just pops back into neutral. I've also had this happen with reverse though. Over the first 10k miles, I had it happen on occasion, but ever since then, I haven't had any transmission issues since about 12k miles (grinds or pop-outs), I'm at 18k now. I feel like there could be a number of causes:
  1. Transmission needs time to break in and gears are harder to push into at the beginning, but loosens up after longer use
  2. User/driver gets acquainted with force and timing required to get the car into gear more adequately
  3. Shift knob change also alters how much force is needed to get into gear as well as changes timing depending on weight, size, etc. The effect is small, but could have some impact if (2) is a reason (primary or secondary) for the issue. My problems seemed to go away when I started using the Honda accessory knob, which I swapped out for an unrelated reason (aluminum knob scorched my hand in the summer heat). I've since swapped to the Muggen leather knob, but haven't had it on long enough to know if it creates any sort of issue.
 


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I never liked the term lockout to describe the 4th gear issue since pop-out is a much better description of what happens. It gets into gear just enough that the ECU reads the car as in gear and you can get power across, but the shift lever just pops back into neutral. I've also had this happen with reverse though. Over the first 10k miles, I had it happen on occasion, but ever since then, I haven't had any transmission issues since about 12k miles (grinds or pop-outs), I'm at 18k now. I feel like there could be a number of causes:
  1. Transmission needs time to break in and gears are harder to push into at the beginning, but loosens up after longer use
  2. User/driver gets acquainted with force and timing required to get the car into gear more adequately
  3. Shift knob change also alters how much force is needed to get into gear as well as changes timing depending on weight, size, etc. The effect is small, but could have some impact if (2) is a reason (primary or secondary) for the issue. My problems seemed to go away when I started using the Honda accessory knob, which I swapped out for an unrelated reason (aluminum knob scorched my hand in the summer heat). I've since swapped to the Muggen leather knob, but haven't had it on long enough to know if it creates any sort of issue.
Thanks for the input, I am also considering switching out to the honda type R honda knob, but I like how the OEM knob looks and also don't want to spend $200 right now. I think the gear box also probably does need to break in some. I'll eventually switch to amsoil tranny fluid but for now I am not worried.
 

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I never liked the term lockout to describe the 4th gear issue since pop-out is a much better description of what happens. It gets into gear just enough that the ECU reads the car as in gear and you can get power across, but the shift lever just pops back into neutral. I've also had this happen with reverse though. Over the first 10k miles, I had it happen on occasion, but ever since then, I haven't had any transmission issues since about 12k miles (grinds or pop-outs), I'm at 18k now. I feel like there could be a number of causes:
  1. Transmission needs time to break in and gears are harder to push into at the beginning, but loosens up after longer use
  2. User/driver gets acquainted with force and timing required to get the car into gear more adequately
  3. Shift knob change also alters how much force is needed to get into gear as well as changes timing depending on weight, size, etc. The effect is small, but could have some impact if (2) is a reason (primary or secondary) for the issue. My problems seemed to go away when I started using the Honda accessory knob, which I swapped out for an unrelated reason (aluminum knob scorched my hand in the summer heat). I've since swapped to the Muggen leather knob, but haven't had it on long enough to know if it creates any sort of issue.
I agree with point 1. The tranny feels like it's broken in as I've put miles on it.
 

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I never liked the term lockout to describe the 4th gear issue since pop-out is a much better description of what happens. It gets into gear just enough that the ECU reads the car as in gear and you can get power across, but the shift lever just pops back into neutral. I've also had this happen with reverse though. Over the first 10k miles, I had it happen on occasion, but ever since then, I haven't had any transmission issues since about 12k miles (grinds or pop-outs), I'm at 18k now. I feel like there could be a number of causes:
  1. Transmission needs time to break in and gears are harder to push into at the beginning, but loosens up after longer use
  2. User/driver gets acquainted with force and timing required to get the car into gear more adequately
  3. Shift knob change also alters how much force is needed to get into gear as well as changes timing depending on weight, size, etc. The effect is small, but could have some impact if (2) is a reason (primary or secondary) for the issue. My problems seemed to go away when I started using the Honda accessory knob, which I swapped out for an unrelated reason (aluminum knob scorched my hand in the summer heat). I've since swapped to the Muggen leather knob, but haven't had it on long enough to know if it creates any sort of issue.
This! All the lockout issues and grinding happened in the first 10k miles to me. Im at 27k miles and the car drives and shifts better than new.
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