For those who owned both: How much faster does the Type-R feel over 10g Si?

aldo · Feb 21, 2019

In all honesty I’m probably gonna wind up with a type R somewhere down the line, but they are, plain and simple, a 300 HP Honda Civic that’s running a 14 second quarter mile, and I’m gonna get slapped around on the street with this car, plain and simple. When some guy rolls up next to me at a light, I can’t beat him by showing him a bunch of magazine articles, or talk to him about track times on the other side of the world, the name of which I can’t even pronounce.

aldo · Feb 21, 2019

Harlaquin said:
Mine was first week of release 17 before the 3 price increases. But still 2 here now my area at msrp which is not even close to 40k.
But if you are calling me out I promise you I'm not a liar not that I have anything to.prove but I can show my sales paper.

No not calling you a liar at all, you got a great deal, but yours is very unique.

RedGiant217 · Feb 21, 2019

aldo said:
The average people are reporting on these boards for the Type R after taxes and markup is going for well over $40K, where you been? The Si can be had for about $22K all day long. Please tell me you didn’t say it’s illegal to race on the street, and you are the owner of a Type R? Theres a lot of cars out there these days that have these things called 8 cylinder engines in them, don’t take this the wrong way but you need to read up.

Around here, the Type R can be had for MSRP all day long...well...to be fare, they sell quick so not all day.

I'm sorry, is it legal to race on the street? If you want to race, take it to a track. Not saying I ever stay under the speed limit in this car, but racing another person on the street is just asking for it.

You didn't answer my question. What is peanuts about 300hp? Even if every car had it, that doesn't make it peanuts. We live in a time when ridiculous power is relatively cheap, but that doesn't make 300hp insignificant. No one's going to try and race a Corvette in one of these if that's what your getting at. The average new car on the road still has around 200hp or less.

I think it would be impossible for me to take your comment the "wrong" way. You meant it as an insult, and I'm fine with that.

aldo · Feb 21, 2019

RedGiant217 said:
Around here, the Type R can be had for MSRP all day long...well...to be fare, they sell quick so not all day.

I'm sorry, is it legal to race on the street? If you want to race, take it to a track. Not saying I ever stay under the speed limit in this car, but racing another person on the street is just asking for it.

You didn't answer my question. What is peanuts about 300hp? Even if every car had it, that doesn't make it peanuts. We live in a time when ridiculous power is relatively cheap, but that doesn't make 300hp insignificant. No one's going to try and race a Corvette in one of these if that's what your getting at. The average new car on the road still has around 200hp or less.

I think it would be impossible for me to take your comment the "wrong" way. You meant it as an insult, and I'm fine with that.

Didn’t mean to offend sorry

RedGiant217 · Feb 22, 2019

aldo said:
Didn’t mean to offend sorry

I need to stop browsing the forums at midnight. You're good.
I gotta slow down and think more before clicking

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Harlaquin · Feb 22, 2019

MisterC said:
No matter how far you shove the goal posts up into the darkness of your bowel, you posted that a dude was a bad driver because he noticed that an F150 was as fast on the freeway as his SI, and by extension, your SI, which is obviously what you took umbrage with. This is most bothersome to you because it's true. Unless you're plunging into 'impound my car and arrest me' territory. But I forgot, you magic shift like god sent down the second coming of mario andretti so every time you touch that SI clutch you surge forward with the power of a thousand men. Obviously +50 hp to freeway pulls. Everyone else needs to learn to drive, we can't just lean on physics for this one, oh no, you DEFY physics.

I can't believe they let you operate a motor vehicle.

To be honest I no crap saw a civic the other day with a tow hitch and a construction roof rack with ladders on it so...I mean they are comparable to the f-150.

KhashTR19 · Feb 25, 2019

R-10552 said:
I test drove the Si twice about 6 months before getting my CTR. In my opinion, being honest, they do not compare at all. I was quite unimpressed with the power (coming from a K20A2 powered bone stock RSX Type-S). There is no way someone would drive both the Si and the CTR hard and say they don't feel much of a difference. The CTR pulls all day all the way to redline. It's so linear almost N/A like. I've owned a "turbo lag king" Mazdaspeed3 and that's the posterchild for what I always thought a turbo car powerband should feel like (no power - power- no power). Sure made it feel fast cause you get all the power all at once, but it does not compare to the linear power of the CTR.

Anyway, back on topic...as the previous poster said, they make power very differently. Putting around town you may not feel the difference in strictly power and acceleration...but push them and they are totally different beasts. No comparison.

Thank you for this, And that's the genius of the CTR, isn't it (from everything I've read--don't own one). It feels like an every-day horse until it doesn't.

Wheats027 · Feb 25, 2019

I have test driven a 2017 Civic Si Sedan and now own a 2018 Type R. I think the most honest answer I can give in my opinion is that (flat out) they feel exactly what the power number differences suggest. What I mean by this is if you put your foot to the ground on both and run through 2-3 gears from xxxx rpm to redline, then you can certainly notice that 100hp difference. Daily driving useable torque feels much more similar than all out power does.

eshults5 · Feb 25, 2019

Theyre both good cars. But driving feel wise, I would say the price difference between R and SI is justified.

The R is one of the most spectacular driving experiences I've ever had in a car priced in the 30's.

aldo said:
In all honesty I’m probably gonna wind up with a type R somewhere down the line, but they are, plain and simple, a 300 HP Honda Civic that’s running a 14 second quarter mile, and I’m gonna get slapped around on the street with this car, plain and simple. When some guy rolls up next to me at a light, I can’t beat him by showing him a bunch of magazine articles, or talk to him about track times on the other side of the world, the name of which I can’t even pronounce.

In my experience, most people that want to drag race always have these old POS cars that have been heavily modded. I have yet to lose a drag race. Ofcourse I won't challenge something like a Corvette.

I did race some guy in that fast infinity coupe, Q60 I think it was. It was a tie but that car is also about $20k more I believe.

For $35k I definitely don't regret getting a type R.

ShaRm3064 · Feb 26, 2019

eshults5 said:
Theyre both good cars. But driving feel wise, I would say the price difference between R and SI is justified.

The R is one of the most spectacular driving experiences I've ever had in a car priced in the 30's.

In my experience, most people that want to drag race always have these old POS cars that have been heavily modded. I have yet to lose a drag race. Ofcourse I won't challenge something like a Corvette.

I did race some guy in that fast infinity coupe, Q60 I think it was. It was a tie but that car is also about $20k more I believe.

For $35k I definitely don't regret getting a type R.

The Type R when launched well (riding clutch alittle while feathering the gas) launches surprisingly well.....A guy in a newer 2017 - 18 V6 camaro tried to race me from a light(his was also stick) and I stuck with him until 3rd gear where I was slowly pulling on him and by the top of third I was a bumper ahead.

ebatr24 · Feb 26, 2019

Just gonna leave this here..... Someone earlier said 6-7k to get near the power but that is definitely not the case.

Mods on the Si: Flashpro, Injen intercooler/Intake, RV6 downpipe, and e85.

remc86007 · Feb 26, 2019

ebatr24 said:
Just gonna leave this here..... Someone earlier said 6-7k to get near the power but that is definitely not the case.

Mods on the Si: Flashpro, Injen intercooler/Intake, RV6 downpipe, and e85.

Something is going on with that video: either the R wasn't trying or the SI has way more mods than what you listed. Hondata says to expect e85 to make 64 additional WHP. That isn't going to gap an R like that.

ebatr24 · Feb 26, 2019

remc86007 said:
Something is going on with that video: either the R wasn't trying or the SI has way more mods than what you listed. Hondata says to expect e85 to make 64 additional WHP. That isn't going to gap an R like that.

Na, there is plenty more videos of Si vs Type R. The outcomes are pretty similar when those mods are involved on the Si. PRL has an old video when their Si was bolt on tuned vs their Type R, I'll link it here too. The R actually wins when you roll race and start at the right MPH/RPM, in their description though they note that the Si beat it numerous times from a launch/dig. Also at the time, their Si ran a 13.14 while their Type R ran a 13.48 quarter mile.

CWCTR2018 · Feb 27, 2019

just with my e30 tune using hondata will pretty much blow away every si on the road oh btw thats a stock Type R

in the video

type r will walk away from an Si when you hit 115mph

Driveitlikeuboughtit · Feb 27, 2019

ebatr24 said:
Just gonna leave this here..... Someone earlier said 6-7k to get near the power but that is definitely not the case.

Mods on the Si: Flashpro, Injen intercooler/Intake, RV6 downpipe, and e85.

I mean, they're lying from the start. "He doesn't know I'm modified" - except the tires and wheels scream "modified."

When someone tells an obvious lie in a youtube video from the start, I don't put it past them to lie throughout the rest of it. "Type R beats modified Si" isn't going to grab clicks. No wheelspin from the R off the launch, indicating a weak launch. The shitty editing and weird camera angles/movement are also a dead giveaway, as they're usually used to try to hide something. Like the video being sped up/slowed down. Also, the engine notes were way off - that type R sounded like it was just puttering along, the RPM wasn't screaming like it should be if he was in anything but 6th gear.

That gap at the end screams "dramatization" at best. Outright fake at worst.

In any case, the R isn't about drag racing.

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