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If a car's performance and engineering are more important than the name on the badge, you have to give Hyundai it's due with the Veloster N. For the price, it looks like a lot of fun to drive, and a good value.

I've been shopping for a Civic Si Coupe, and am close to pulling the trigger. I wish there were some Veloster N's around to check out in person before deciding. Might have to wait for it...
Depends on what your looking to get out of the Si and your price range. If you want a more performance oriented vehicle, I recommend waiting for the Veloster N w/ Performance Package. It does cost about 4-5K more than the Si, but you will get more performance, along with a warranty, if your concerned about that. Otherwise, the Si is the best bang for your buck in its price range.
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Depends on what your looking to get out of the Si and your price range. If you want a more performance oriented vehicle, I recommend waiting for the Veloster N w/ Performance Package. It does cost about 4-5K more than the Si, but you will get more performance, along with a warranty, if your concerned about that. Otherwise, the Si is the best bang for your buck in its price range.
I'm looking for a daily driver that will also be fun to drive. The Si Coupe fits the bill, plus seems to have excellent fuel economy, and comfortable enough for long drives. I also have a 2015 Mustang GT as a pure 'fun' car (that has all the traction in the snow of a hockey puck on wet ice), so the 'daily driver' doesn't need to have maximum performance.

But on the other hand, why not? The Veloster N seems unique, quirky, and a blast to drive. Not sure how good it would be as a daily driver, especially in the winter in New England. Would have to retrofit some good all-season or snow tires to it, and heated seats as well (my 60-ish aging butt has come to appreciate toasted buns on cold mornings).
 

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For me, power and price aren't the only factors. Longevity, aftermarket support, maintenance costs, replacement part availability, etc. were all considered in my Si purchase.

For what it's worth, I have raced a couple Veloster N's in my Si. Each one lost. What I have in mods + what I paid for my Si is less than the MSRP on a Veloster N. I consider that a win in my book.

Even with my spirited driving and zero effort, I'm getting 30 MPG.
 

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For me, power and price aren't the only factors. Longevity, aftermarket support, maintenance costs, replacement part availability, etc. were all considered in my Si purchase.

For what it's worth, I have raced a couple Veloster N's in my Si. Each one lost. What I have in mods + what I paid for my Si is less than the MSRP on a Veloster N. I consider that a win in my book.

Even with my spirited driving and zero effort, I'm getting 30 MPG.
NoKz, I could't agree more. Reliability, longevity, maintenance, are all very important considerations to me. That's why I wouldn't consider a Fiat 500 Abarth, despite it being a fun, quirky, reasonably priced car.

My "racing" days are long behind me. At 60-ish, I just want a fun to drive car for the street.

I think Hyundai has been improving significantly over the years in terms of quality and reliability, while Honda has slipped (at least from our last Honda experience, a 2011 Accord Coupe, which was mechanically reliable but the paint and interior were fragile and deteriorated quickly despite fastidious care). I see Honda and Hyundai these days as fairly comparable in reliability and construction quality. My late father-in-law had a Hyundai Sonata which he did not take care of at all, and after 70k miles, it felt much tighter and more solid than our same-year Accord with fewer miles.

FWIW, are you sure they were Hyundai Veloster N's you raced? The N is the new 2019 275 hp model that is just coming out now. From what I've seen on line, only a couple of dealers have just gotten there very first ones in the past week or two.
 

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For me, power and price aren't the only factors. Longevity, aftermarket support, maintenance costs, replacement part availability, etc. were all considered in my Si purchase.

For what it's worth, I have raced a couple Veloster N's in my Si. Each one lost. What I have in mods + what I paid for my Si is less than the MSRP on a Veloster N. I consider that a win in my book.

Even with my spirited driving and zero effort, I'm getting 30 MPG.
No way you raced an N. He would have won fairly easily (275hp/260tq stock). Former BMW M division head Albert Biermann tweaked the N. N's are literally just showing up at dealers this week.

You beat the old, Accent based Veloster turbo (201hp, crap chassis). The new N is a different animal completely.
 
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I wouldn't be so quick to rush to conclusions. I haven't seen an N in person but my understanding is they are available to buy now. The Si is much lighter than the N so it doesn't need exactly as much power to be quicker. The 10th gen Civic Si with no mods except for Vit's Stage 1 tune(or comparable tune) has the same power to weight ratio as the 275 horsepower version of the Veloster N.

The 250 horsepower version of the Veloster N is definitely slower than an Si with a basemap in a straight line and the performance pack one would only be able to match it but not really beat it. The N does not come with an LSD by default, you have to get one with the performance pack to have an LSD. A 250HP N would have trouble putting the power down compared to the Si.

Now considering that, the guy you quoted has way more mods than a simple basemap. I find it hard to believe a Veloster N performance pack or not could beat his Si.
I didn't realize his Si wasn't stock. But I'm telling you there's no way he raced Veloster N's. I check cars.com all the time and the N's just started showing up in dealer inventory this week. Only a handful nationwide at this point.

And what are the odds of someone breaking in their brand new N by racing a Civic Si? ;)
 
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On a different note I think Hyundai should have brought over the Euro i30N instead of the funky Veloster. It's a much better looking car IMO.

Honda Civic 10th gen Veloster  N n_obsyeonka_jeonceug_bugam180917_fdc
 

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For me, power and price aren't the only factors. Longevity, aftermarket support, maintenance costs, replacement part availability, etc. were all considered in my Si purchase.

For what it's worth, I have raced a couple Veloster N's in my Si. Each one lost. What I have in mods + what I paid for my Si is less than the MSRP on a Veloster N. I consider that a win in my book.

Even with my spirited driving and zero effort, I'm getting 30 MPG.
How does one talk about longevity and then goes and heavily modifies their vehicle :rofl:

You basically just made your Si unreliable and now you have to either return your vehicle back to stock if something goes wrong and pray to the car gods that the dealership does not void your warranty. I'm pretty sure the engineers tuned the Si for longevity and not performance.
 

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On a different note I think Hyundai should have brought over the Euro i30N instead of the funky Veloster. It's a much better looking car IMO.

n_obsyeonka_jeonceug_bugam180917_fdcg.jpg
We are getting a Elantra GT N-Line later this year, It's not as powerful as the i30N though, but it still looks good! It just debuted at the Detroit Auto Show. Hopefully we'll get the full blown i30N at some point.

Honda Civic 10th gen Veloster  N xedoisong_hyundai_elantra_gt_n_line_1_qvli
 

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Lmao no way that guy has already raced a bunch of Ns, they just started going up for sale. I know he's modded, but stock for stock, N wins, especially with the PP.

The N is a good car, and slots nicely between the Si and Type R. The R-Spec is also a good car and slots nicely between the Hatchback Sport and the Si. They are both priced to reflect that. I personally don't have any concerns about their reliability, but I do question the aftermarket support. Aso, the wealth of knowledge about them doesn't seem to be out there.Civicx.com, is one of the most active car forums I've ever been on. You won't find that with the Velkster, at least not yet.
 

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Lmao no way that guy has already raced a bunch of Ns, they just started going up for sale. I know he's modded, but stock for stock, N wins, especially with the PP.

The N is a good car, and slots nicely between the Si and Type R. The R-Spec is also a good car and slots nicely between the Hatchback Sport and the Si. They are both priced to reflect that. I personally don't have any concerns about their reliability, but I do question the aftermarket support. Aso, the wealth of knowledge about them doesn't seem to be out there.Civicx.com, is one of the most active car forums I've ever been on. You won't find that with the Velkster, at least not yet.
Nice to see an objective post about Hyundai here at CivicX. I was a huge Honda guy when I bought an XD gen Elantra GT hatchback in 2002. Had my fingers crossed it would last. Well, it's a funny thing. It not only lasted but I had as much fun with that as I did with my Integra, Civic and CRX. So much so that I started elantraclub.com way back when. Surprisingly, there was a lot of aftermarket support for that gen of Elantra and I modded the shit out of that car.

Sure, you hear horror stories from time to time about Hyundai or Kia. But look at surveys on reliability and quality and often they are ahead of Honda these days. That's just fact. Even all these years later though some people still equate them with garbage. I personally believe the only area they needed to up their game was in the handling department. And the N division is doing just that with Biermann.

The N is a nice car but a bit funky with those 3 doors. I've actually seen reviewers say they like the PP version more than the Golf R. And many have said it's not far behind the Type R. That's a big accomplishment.

Time to give Hyundai some props, I think.
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