Does any1 feel Honda will finally listen, and the 11th gen Si will be a huge improvement power wise?

aldo said:

I don’t see it happening, Honda isn’t in the sports car business, they build cars for the masses . Car companies these days are putting in turbos not for the racer crowd, but more for giving a small engine that’s very economical some passing speed. For $5K just buy a used Hayabusa or ZX14 if you want to smoke everything out there lol.

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Actually theyre putting in turbos for fuel economy, don't kid yourself if you think the engine decisions they're making are for anything but emissions. Same for the CVT. Same as why toyota is using a launch gear now

Aurelleah said:

Actually theyre putting in turbos for fuel economy, don't kid yourself if you think the engine decisions they're making are for anything but emissions. Same for the CVT. Same as why toyota is using a launch gear now

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Agreed, that’s what I was saying, the new Civic has incredible fuel economy, but without the turbo would be an absolute dog, possibly get you killed getting up to speed on highway. The turbo solves that as well as what you pointed out, emissions as well. Look at all the new Camrys with turbos and incredible fuel economy.

I don't really need any more power, I'd much rather have an Si hatch than more power.

Vrruumm said:

I am okay with 210-215hp, but that is if they add 100lbs to the overall weight. I don't see them putting in a detuned Accord engine into the SI for under $28k. Might compete with the Golf GTI, but really that is the only car that is beating the SI, but the SI beats it by a couple $1000. Now that the Focus ST is gone, the 205hp 10th gen SI is probably the best performance FWD car for under $25k.

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My 2018 is running about 270 HP with an investment of about $1000.

arhill999 said:

My 2018 is running about 270 HP with an investment of about $1000.

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Running race fuel

Justinus said:

After rereading and rewatching Honda's 1.5L announcement, I think the 1.5L has VTC but no VTEC, despite being marketed as VTEC Turbo in some markets.

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+1

All you need is a few bolt ons and a k tuner to wake this car up. I prefer having a Si hatch option then more power I think if they do a bump in power next generation it wont be anything drastic.

Keep in mind that Type-S is supposed to be returning in 2020 with a turbo V-6. Toyota is making TRD versions of the Camry and Avalon in 2020 also so it is looking like the Si will have more competition in the coming years. If Honda ditches the Coupe Si, I'd be willing to bet an Acura 2-Door takes its place.

Here is an article that I found after posting:
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-n...performance-a-spec-models-won-t-ar180630.html

If they do an Si hatch, i really hope the move in the other direction from the current Civic hatch design. To me the 10th gen hatch doesn't look like a hatch at all, more like something akin to the Crosstour. The Type R doesn't look like a hatch at all, just a sedan with a hatch back. I like the look of the old civic hatches.

I do like the look of the old hatches, but the fastback design on the new ones is pretty cool too. Probably having a flat back like the old design/GTI style is more practical though

themaincop said:

I do like the look of the old hatches, but the fastback design on the new ones is pretty cool too. Probably having a flat back like the old design/GTI style is more practical though

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What they should have done for the Sedans at least, is a lift back style like Euro Accords used to have. You get to access the trunk easier

Answer to the OP’s original question, no.

To the original question, I'm not in this car for the muscle - I'm in it for the dance. It's nimble, tossable and fun, has plenty enough power to put points on my license without that added tease, and I love passing gas stations saying, "Not yet!" When I think more power, I think of the R. The Type R barely edges out the fuel efficiency numbers of a Ford F-150. Sure - it's a great car. But it's not an Si. And in my opinion, it suffers an identity crisis. I never would have guessed that I could pay close to 40 grand for a Honda Civic that has the fuel efficiency of a pickup truck.

I still think the Si is the most refined Civic you can get, and for whatever it's shortcomings are with respect to power, it's at the absolute sweet spot for both balanced performance and value. In those equations, its power is perfect.

aldo said:

Agreed, that’s what I was saying, the new Civic has incredible fuel economy, but without the turbo would be an absolute dog, possibly get you killed getting up to speed on highway. The turbo solves that as well as what you pointed out, emissions as well. Look at all the new Camrys with turbos and incredible fuel economy.

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The new Camrys are still NA (2.5 liter 4 cylinder and 3.5 liter v6).

averagetrackdriver said:

The new Camrys are still NA (2.5 liter 4 cylinder and 3.5 liter v6).

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You are correct sir thank you.