New vs Used vs N

I’ve sold probably 30-40 cars and every buyer in CA has asked to do it. No one is going to care. If you say you bought the CTR for $1000 they likely know but 20k that DMV employee would have no idea.

.grimace said:

I’ve sold probably 30-40 cars and every buyer in CA has asked to do it. No one is going to care. If you say you bought the CTR for $1000 they likely know but 20k that DMV employee would have no idea.

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Yeah, and because no one will know or care I guess that means it's not a fellony.

The other issue that I'd care more about is if the buyer takes you to court for the "overpayment" that you accepted and you end up only getting $20k for your CTR.

I would try to find a new Type-R at MSRP. Personally, I wouldn’t even consider the Veloster N.

I find the hate towards Hyundai interesting. For years, I was a Honda/Acura guy. Then, in 2002, I saw what I thought was a SAAB hatch on display at a mall. I was shocked when the sticker said it was an Elantra GT hatch. A Hyundai? How could that be, I thought. These are pieces of shit.

Well, after months of research, I found out Hyundais were getting better. The GT was actually designed in Europe. Test drove it and I was sold. Modded the hell out of it. Great car with zero reliabilty issues in the 8 years I owned it. Traded that in on a Kia Forte SX. Another fun little car that had some pep (173 hp, only 2800 lbs).

Don't discount the N. It's a great, fun car. Will it beat an R on the track? No. Is the R better? Yes. But, those of you acting like Hyundai is a piece of shit in 2019 are way off base. You kind of remind me of GM owners saying the same thing about Hondas back in the day.

gtman said:

I find the hate towards Hyundai interesting. For years, I was a Honda/Acura guy. Then, in 2002, I saw what I thought was a SAAB hatch on display at a mall. I was shocked when the sticker said it was an Elantra GT hatch. A Hyundai? How could that be, I thought. These are pieces of shit.

Well, after months of research, I found out Hyundais were getting better. The GT was actually designed in Europe. Test drove it and I was sold. Modded the hell out of it. Great car with zero reliabilty issues in the 8 years I owned it. Traded that in on a Kia Forte SX. Another fun little car that had some pep (173 hp, only 2800 lbs).

Don't discount the N. It's a great, fun car. Will it beat an R on the track? No. Is the R better? Yes. But, those of you acting like Hyundai is a piece of shit in 2019 are way off base. You kind of remind me of GM owners saying the same thing about Hondas back in the day.

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Are you sure you aren’t the one who is the fanboy in this thread?

This is my first Honda in over 15 years. I buy what I like, regardless of the badge.

That said, while cars are depreciating assets, Hyundai and Kia are extreme in that regard. In six years, the N will fall out of a tree in depreciation compared to a CTR.

The fact the US is getting hosed by getting it in the quirky, offbeat, three door Veloster instead of the i30 is unfortunate.

Albert Biermann can whinge about his lack of freedom at BMW all he wants, yet the Veloster N is reportedly still only good at 8/10ths; braking, steering, and suspension tuning show weaknesses when pushed beyond that.

Hyundai/Kia have undoubtedly improved since the nineties. But not nearly enough to be considered a key player in the performance car arena yet.

gtman said:

I find the hate towards Hyundai interesting. For years, I was a Honda/Acura guy. Then, in 2002, I saw what I thought was a SAAB hatch on display at a mall. I was shocked when the sticker said it was an Elantra GT hatch. A Hyundai? How could that be, I thought. These are pieces of shit.

Well, after months of research, I found out Hyundais were getting better. The GT was actually designed in Europe. Test drove it and I was sold. Modded the hell out of it. Great car with zero reliabilty issues in the 8 years I owned it. Traded that in on a Kia Forte SX. Another fun little car that had some pep (173 hp, only 2800 lbs).

Don't discount the N. It's a great, fun car. Will it beat an R on the track? No. Is the R better? Yes. But, those of you acting like Hyundai is a piece of shit in 2019 are way off base. You kind of remind me of GM owners saying the same thing about Honda's back in the day.

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I worked in service for them as well for a year when I lived down south...they are piles of garbage that some people get lucky with and have a ridiculous warranty cause even the manufacturer doesn't trust them beyond 25k miles. Multiple engine replacements, every single alternator bracket falls into 2 pieces when just removing the alternator....watched a new 1400 mile sonata send a rod through the block on the lift....they had a massive recall for engine replacements....the warranty covers no technology (audio units etc) after 2 years of ownership...that 10 year warranty only applies to the original owner....multiple cars that had fuel leaks and had a family in a Sante Fe almost have their car burn to the ground with 5 kids with them on the way to Disney world (car had 11k miles on it). Also had a Vietnam vet that was 74 years old, on dialysis, victim of agent orange, with terrible health overall, who needed 3 engines put in his new sante fe in 2 months time (15k miles). It would leave that poor gentleman stranded in the middle of the summer (105+ temp) on oxygen in the middle of terrible traffic with no air conditioning or a way to push the car. It literally could have killed the guy.

terrible....

RedGiant217 said:

Yeah, and because no one will know or care I guess that means it's not a fellony.

The other issue that I'd care more about is if the buyer takes you to court for the "overpayment" that you accepted and you end up only getting $20k for your CTR.

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Wow I bet you’re fun at parties

Try and see if you can test drive both...I assume it will be tough to test drive the CTR (seems like dealers don't like that). At the very least, sit in both.

I have nothing against the Hyundai. If it's cheaper...you may as well check it out...that money you save you can put forth toward mods maybe.

As for seating youngsters...I have 5 kids (obviously never have them all in the CTR at once). They are newborn, 5, 8, 10 and 14. I've had all the kids, except the newborn, in the CTR and it worked out just fine.

Oh and as far a used CTR, I've seen some where listed at 34k. I bought my new one a bit above MSRP for 36...so I guess 34 isn't bad, but try to get 32k for a used one if you can.

PowerPerLiter said:

I worked in service for them as well for a year when I lived down south...they are piles of garbage that some people get lucky with and have a ridiculous warranty cause even the manufacturer doesn't trust them beyond 25k miles. Multiple engine replacements, every single alternator bracket falls into 2 pieces when just removing the alternator....watched a new 1400 mile sonata send a rod through the block on the lift....they had a massive recall for engine replacements....the warranty covers no technology (audio units etc) after 2 years of ownership...that 10 year warranty only applies to the original owner....multiple cars that had fuel leaks and had a family in a Sante Fe almost have their car burn to the ground with 5 kids with them on the way to Disney world (car had 11k miles on it). Also had a Vietnam vet that was 74 years old, on dialysis, victim of agent orange, with terrible health overall, who needed 3 engines put in his new sante fe in 2 months time (15k miles). It would leave that poor gentleman stranded in the middle of the summer (105+ temp) on oxygen in the middle of terrible traffic with no air conditioning or a way to push the car. It literally could have killed the guy.

terrible....

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Im not bias at all because Ive never owned a Hyundai in my life But im pointing out the facts here. What you said could not be more wrong. Hyundai's have made major strides within the past 5-6 years and are actually extremely dependable vehicles. Dont believe me? Look at this link: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study
https://www.businessinsider.com/mos...ng-to-jd-power-ranked-2018-2#tied-6-hyundai-7

They compare Honda and Hyundai and it actually WINS in dependability. Plus go on youtube and search up the million mile Elantra. In addition, just do a quick google search of "hyundai reliability" and all you will see is positive things. It cant be that all these websites are wrong. Saying Hyundai is "unreliable" in 2019 is a completely misinformed and old point of view that is no longer relevant. I love Honda but the hate on Hyundai is completely ridiculous. People love to rest on their laurels and live in their own little bubble where only Honda and Toyota are reliable cars because 20 years ago that was true. Honda's reliability has actually gone down quite a bit tbh and they are nowhere near as good as they used to be. Like I said, I like both brands but discounting the Koreans at this point is just plain stupid. It's warranty combined with GOOD reliability, cheaper price point and good performance makes it a solid competitor in this field, you'd be blind not to see that.

Packetloss if you do search across the country the number of dealers who are selling their CTRs at MSRP

jred721 said:

Im not bias at all because Ive never ownex a Hyundai in my life But im pointing out the facts here. What you said could not be more wrong. Hyundai's have made major strides within the past 5-6 years and are actually extremely dependable vehicles. Dont believe me? Look at this link: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study

They compare Honda and Hyundai and it actually WINS in dependability. Plus go on youtube and search up the million mile Elantra. In addition, just do a quick google search of "hyundai reliability" and all you will see is positive things. It cant be that all these websites are wrong. Saying Hyundai is "unreliable" in 2019 is a completely misinformed and old point of view that is no longer relevant. I love Honda but the hate on Hyundai is completely rediculous. People love to rest on their laurels and live in their own little bubble where only Honda and Toyota are reliable cars because 20 years ago that was true. Honda's reliability has actually gone down quite a bit tbh and they are nowhere near as good as they used to be. Like I said, I like bith brands but discounting the Koreans at this point is just plain stupid.

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Reluctantly and sadly, I would have to agree that Honda's QC has decreased. Sure, you can go through the numerous posts on this site about the issues folks are having with either the L15B7s or K20C1s. I'm just basing my opinion on what I have experienced personally and in my circle of car friends. For myself, I've been a longtime Honda fan, and the last great Civic I had was an 8th gen Si. Never had a problem with it, and it ran great. I sold it with 260K on the odo, and it was still running fantastically. My 9th gen Civic was nothing but a turd. I bought it new, and it had electrical issues as well oil leaks and a transmission that had to be replaced at 10K. My CTR has had the infamous gear grinding, a center console that cuts out at random times while driving, and a passenger side window motor that had to replaced at 4K b/c it burned up while I was rolling up the window. No, there was nothing blocking the window at the time. The dealer replaced with no fuss, and the service manager acknowledged that he has had to replaced things on new Civics with low miles that would have normally shown up in cars with thousands of miles. A track buddy who used to have a 2017 Si as a daily driver got rid of it this year b/c of the rattles that have shown up all throughout the interior as well as the need to have his engine replaced by the dealer. Yes, his dealer replaced it under warranty, but when have you heard of a brand new Honda needing a new engine with 8K on the odo? I'm still a Honda fan and enjoy my CTR immensely, but I can no longer agree that Hondas are really reliable cars that they once were.

jred721 said:

Im not bias at all because Ive never owned a Hyundai in my life But im pointing out the facts here. What you said could not be more wrong. Hyundai's have made major strides within the past 5-6 years and are actually extremely dependable vehicles. Dont believe me? Look at this link: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study
https://www.businessinsider.com/mos...ng-to-jd-power-ranked-2018-2#tied-6-hyundai-7

They compare Honda and Hyundai and it actually WINS in dependability. Plus go on youtube and search up the million mile Elantra. In addition, just do a quick google search of "hyundai reliability" and all you will see is positive things. It cant be that all these websites are wrong. Saying Hyundai is "unreliable" in 2019 is a completely misinformed and old point of view that is no longer relevant. I love Honda but the hate on Hyundai is completely ridiculous. People love to rest on their laurels and live in their own little bubble where only Honda and Toyota are reliable cars because 20 years ago that was true. Honda's reliability has actually gone down quite a bit tbh and they are nowhere near as good as they used to be. Like I said, I like both brands but discounting the Koreans at this point is just plain stupid. It's warranty combined with GOOD reliability, cheaper price point and good performance makes it a solid competitor in this field, you'd be blind not to see that.

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JD Power...

86salmon said:

JD Power...

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JD power is just one of many examples though. Just google it and you'll see what im talking about. Business insider, consumer reports and CarMD and US News all list Hyundai as a very reliable car brand. My main point is that it is now completely inaccurate to say that Hyundai is unreliable when it is exactly the opposite according to every source ever.

jred721 said:

JD power is just one of many examples though. Just google it and you'll see what im talking about. Business insider, consumer reports and CarMD and US News all list Hyundai as a very reliable car brand. My main point is that it is now completely inaccurate to say that Hyundai is unreliable when it is exactly the opposite according to every source ever.

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yeah, isn't Hyundai and Kia basically the same? I have a 2013 Kia Sorento that has had zero issues, lol...just saying...

Wow. struck a nerve there my apologies but I have to go with my experience within the industry over this past decade and hands down the worst cars I have dealt with are hyundai's. I dont care what internet oogling you've done. I have had to have the conversations with the owners of the cars and I refuse to ever be a face for hyundai again. Take it or leave it but as recently as 3 model years ago they were shit. I doubt it has changed as drastically as your "evidence" suggests. I wouldn't own one if given to me and that comes from an unbiased approach that got changed into how I feel about the brand based on ACTUAL experience selling service on them....

I ran a Hyundai based forum for over 15 years (elantraclub.com) and the members there had been overwhelmingly happy with their cars. At one point before I archived the site we had 20,000+ members so I think that's a good sample size.

Guys look, I'm old... And I'd like to think I'm objective. I've owned a three Hondas and an Acura. All were great cars. I've owned a Hyundai and a Kia. They were equally as reliable. The Hondas were better on handling but Hyundai has come a long way these days. The N may not be the equal to the R but I don't think Hyundai is marketing it that way. It's only these online reviewers. For the price or less than the price of a GTI, you get a car that totally blows something like that away. The R is definitely a better performer. But, the N may appeal to people who maybe think the R is a bit over the top styling wise. I personally dig the whole 3 door idea just for the coolness factor.

The R is the King, but I certainly think the N is still worth considering for the price. And the warranty is great. I think you guys that say "I wouldn't even think of buying an N" may want to take a test drive when they hit dealer lots.