How can Hyundai get it so right, and Honda so wrong?

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Lol this thread went crazy. I honestly was surprised how much I liked the exhaust sound from inside the cabin. Seriously was expecting Accord silence based on everything I've read.
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Like most I never understood the segment of people that want thier car loud ,popping, banging and what ever other term you can find. the "sound" of car means diddly.
You have to be kidding right....the sound of a sports car means diddly?
You have no f...ing idea what you are talking about.
That's why all manufacturer of sports cars spend hours and hours fine tuning the exhaust notes of their cars....because it means diddly. Fool.
The exhaust note is a huge part of sports car ownership....just ask people who own the GT350, Ferrari's, Porsche's, Lamborghini's just to name a few, if the exhaust note means diddly.
Honda dropped the ball by not making the exhaust more sporty and less vacuum/quiet.
Honda should have included an active exhaust on the Civic Type R...active so that those of you and there's many of you who prefer a quiet exhaust they can leave it off, and for those that prefer a louder exhaust they could turn it on.
Listen to these and tell me if the exhaust notes mean nothing, and don't make the driving experience that much more enjoyable.
These exhausts make the car....more visceral, more exciting....more fun.


Anyone who says an exhaust means diddly on a sporty car is simply a fool, who should just buy themselves a Camry and be happy.
 

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You have to be kidding right....the sound of a sports car means diddly?
You have no f...ing idea what you are talking about.
That's why all manufacturer of sports cars spend hours and hours fine tuning the exhaust notes of their cars....because it means diddly. Fool.
The exhaust note is a huge part of sports car ownership....just ask people who own the GT350, Ferrari's, Porsche's, Lamborghini's just to name a few, if the exhaust note means diddly.
Honda dropped the ball by not making the exhaust more sporty and less vacuum/quiet.
Honda should have included an active exhaust on the Civic Type R...active so that those of you and there's many of you who prefer a quiet exhaust they can leave it off, and for those that prefer a louder exhaust they could turn it on.
Listen to these and tell me if the exhaust notes mean nothing, and don't make the driving experience that much more enjoyable.
These exhausts make the car....more visceral, more exciting....more fun.


Anyone who says an exhaust means diddly on a sporty car is simply a fool, who should just buy themselves a Camry and be happy.
Guess I should of clarified but it was inferred in my comment, by diddly I meant the sound of the car has jack squat to do with the performance of the car. You can have a vacuum that with blow the doors off a car with sound. Just look at the Tesla. It us down right handing cars with sound thier ass on a quarter mile track and it is damn near silent.

As for honda dropping the ball... that's your opinion. As you can see from replies here more are happy with it the way it is then are not so...did they drop the ball? If they would of added all the useless vanity crap people whine about it would have been a 40 k plus car and no one would have bought a 40k civic.
 

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Guess I should of clarified but it was inferred in my comment, by diddly I meant the sound of the car has jack squat to do with the performance of the car. You can have a vacuum that with blow the doors off a car with sound. Just look at the Tesla. It us down right handing cars with sound thier ass on a quarter mile track and it is damn near silent.

As for honda dropping the ball... that's your opinion. As you can see from replies here more are happy with it the way it is then are not so...did they drop the ball? If they would of added all the useless vanity crap people whine about it would have been a 40 k plus car and no one would have bought a 40k civic.
Wrong again, Hyundai has an active exhaust on the Veloster N and it is selling for under $30K.
You don't seem to get it at all, a sporty exhaust note gives you a much more exciting, visceral driving experience which is exactly what you want in a sports car.
Since you are so much more into performance, I take it that you would take a Tesla over a Porsche or Ferrari because it can beat them both in a drag race. Boring.
Good for you, I'll be taking the GT3 and Ferrari every time.
 


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Like most, I never understood the segment of people who do not like exhaust or engine sound yet feel the need to come into threads about exhaust or engine sound just to tell people they shouldn't do it because they don't like it. I don't really buy the argument that it's a hardship to others when someone does it either- plenty of motorcycles come stock louder than anything people are doing to their cars and people don't bat an eye when they commute to work.

You clearly do not like engine/exhaust sound so enjoy your quiet car and be on your way- this thread is not for you. Posts like yours are like a vegetarian that goes into a steakhouse and starts shouting at everyone to stop eating meat because you don't.
It's about a thing that went beyond nice/sporty/useful in my opinion. And sounds like a long/loud obnoxious farts succession. I like engine/exhaust sounds but I don't think like - the more disturbing the better it is.
These "most" (annoying others) you talk about could use some more manners/respect/education. There are the authorized exhausts for public roads that most have special modes to be used on tracks only(so the manf can cover their @#$). This is the part that people don't get. Then there are track only exhausts and illegal exhausts which shouldn't be used in cities anyway.
The exhaust sound is fine. But if I listen music in front of your house/apartment the same db level it's an aggression.

Well sir the whole thread is about not liking exaust notes so... my posts are right in line. My quiet note does not bother anyone else. Your loud tuned car annoys everyone around you plus wakes up the people next door each time you crank it so.... like my point you are forcing others to indure your choices. And when your choices affect my life yeah I'm gonna say something. Let us say you dont like rap. Each morning I turn my stereo up thumping and make you 5 am each morning. I can bet you wouldn't take long to piss you off and have cops called. It's no different with loud cars. It annoys and invades others personal space. It is why a lot of towns have laws against it.
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Wrong again, Hyundai has an active exhaust on the Veloster N and it is selling for under $30K.
You don't seem to get it at all, a sporty exhaust note gives you a much more exciting, visceral driving experience which is exactly what you want in a sports car.
Since you are so much more into performance, I take it that you would take a Tesla over a Porsche or Ferrari because it can beat them both in a drag race. Boring.
Good for you, I'll be taking the GT3 and Ferrari every time.
Let's see how visceral the driving experience gets after few hundreds of miles. :) I bet that even the most hardcore fans would have a hard time.
 

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Didnt seem to read what I said. If you look at the comments in the video, theres not a single person there saying its "rice" and in fact its the exact opposite. Im fact in other videos about the veloster N's exhaust, they all say the same thing. Also where did I talk about driving dynamics?? Im talking purely about sound here. This thread is about sound brother, not you're beloved nurburgring times. Also by your logic, "do the fake vents and unecessary gills alomg with the oversized wheels and 3 exhaust tips that sound like a corolla make the CTR go faster? Nope. Rice. Not everything about driving is performance, things like an exhaust note and styling can go a long way to make a car fun and to drive. You just dont seem ro get that.
The R doesn't have to defend it's design choices - the R is literally the fastest FWD production car on the Ring. Ever. That's proof that the engineering is good.

You'd have to prove that something on there *didn't* contribute, which you can't do. At speed, on the track, you don't know what causes the car to be slightly more slippery or to gain a bit more traction.

Also, you're someone who feels Youtube comments are a perfectly acceptable source of opinions. Like bringing them up here without a hint of irony. lol, you're def worth talking to.

Ok, you do you. Carry on. Enjoy your plastic ball in a cup. Please feel free to buy a N, or better yet just wait a year and buy a used N for half off.
 

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Most YouTube commentators aren’t old enough to drive and worship Lamborghinis and the like. I never read into comments on videos. It’s a cesspool of people who probably drive old Corollas and Altimas if they can drive at all.

A car is rice when it has ridiculous aero parts and whatnot and none of the performance to back it up. The Type R has all the performance to back it up. They can call it ugly, but they can’t call it rice.
 

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The R doesn't have to defend it's design choices - the R is literally the fastest FWD production car on the Ring. Ever. That's proof that the engineering is good.

You'd have to prove that something on there *didn't* contribute, which you can't do. At speed, on the track, you don't know what causes the car to be slightly more slippery or to gain a bit more traction.

Also, you're someone who feels Youtube comments are a perfectly acceptable source of opinions. Like bringing them up here without a hint of irony. lol, you're def worth talking to.

Ok, you do you. Carry on. Enjoy your plastic ball in a cup. Please feel free to buy a N, or better yet just wait a year and buy a used N for half off.
I think its perfectly fair to use YT comments as a gauage of people's opinion on the sound, especially in a time where people LOVE to hate on things no matter what. And it wasnt just the comments, the general consensus from reviewers and people alike is that the car sounds awesome, accept the facts that are in front of you.

As for the styling, I never doubted the performance of the car...not once. I totally respect the performance of the R and in fact I think its amazing. That being said, Im certainly allowed to call out the fact that the car is overstyled and looks like a plastic toy on the outside (my opinion). You can give me the fastest production car ever and ill respect its performance, but ill call it out if its ugly. I the real world, you aren't hitting the track everyday and driving it to its limits. You are mostly daily driving the car and having some fun, and in that sense things like exhaust and styling play a Big factor in a driving experience. Its not that hard to understand.

Also, I wouldn't buy a Veloster N and I would probably use that money to buy something else If I really wanted to. I just apppriciate the engineering of the exhaust in it considering its a 4-cyl, its impressive. Doesnt mean im a fanboy for the Veloster. Bottom line is im not hating on the CTR, I just think it could jave been styled better and have a more engaging exhaust. Whats wrong with that?
 


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You attacked a R owner for voicing their opinion. Otherwise, I could give a shit what you have to say.
Attacked? All I did was state a point of view that was different from yours if thats "attacking" then tell me where I bashed you for giving an opinion as you said. Also, you kept bringing driving dynamics in a thread about exhaust....you did it twice. If you can name or point out a time I attacked the R's performance, ill give you a cookie. I was honestly trying to point to erm....some particular people that saying sound doesnt matter is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and giving the N credit where credits due is also perfectly fine. If theres one thing I've learned is that saying anything even remotely negative about the R in this thread or forum, you get flamed by people who refuse to accept that there are other cars out there that do some things better. Crazy. Also, dont try to play the "i dont give a shit card", you lost that when you hit me with a multi paragraph response my guy.
 

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just get an aftermarket exhaust...milltek sounds good imo...without the horrible drone as some exhausts.
 

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I liked the stock sound but I do prefer my Thermal R&D exhaust, has a nice rumble, not to loud, minimal drone, and when i shift just at redline there is an incredible backfire that screams sex.

Otherwise I am not fan of the fake pops, and bangs newer cars get just because i feel its not natural. If the engine and exhaust did that because that was part of the character of the engine, than great. Otherwise I am sure that engineering effort can go to other things to make the car a better performer.
 


 


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