Is the 10 Generation Si faster than previous generations

amirza786 · Dec 10, 2018

integra15 said:
Torque in the 10th is short lived and comes on in a peak. The 2.0l k series didn't have much torque but the high redline allowed less shifting and felt much livelier. It was also easier to navigate and see out of. It felt lighter even though the weights are about the same.

All you have to do is shift, and you are back in to the power curve again. Turbo boost is way better than having to redline to pull power out, although redling is funner. On a steep hill for instance, advantage goes to the Si (or any turbocharged engine), as I don't even have to downshift to maintain speed. Pulling to the redline to wring power out is fun, but in the end, power going to the lower end wins. That has been my experience driving both NA and forced induction cars

amirza786 · Dec 10, 2018

Lukifer said:
I agree, it has less torque and you gotta wring the vtech to get anything out of it... so your driving around town at 6-7ooo RPM?

See my quote above. Power and torque at the low end using forced induction from my experience will always win out over having to wring power out at redline. Redlining is funner, but that is all it is

xbbnx · Dec 10, 2018

jrse7en said:
Having owned 2003 RSX Type S, 2008 S2000, 2015 Civic SI 4 door, 2017 Civic SI coupe for at least a year and a half. I'd say the 10th gen FEELS the slowest stock car of them all. I have TSP Stage one now and I think it FEELS either on par if not faster than the S2000. Hope that helps.

I completely disagree. Ive driven a 2009 Si, and owned a 2015 Si for about 1 year. Both cars felt slower than my current 2017 Si even when I rang them out. I think people get deceived by the past generation Si feeling faster because of their screaming engines in higher rpms so you get that perception that you're going faster than you actually are but in reality line up all three generations and drag them stock and the 17-19 Si will most always come out on top.

Itachily504 · Dec 10, 2018

xbbnx said:
I completely disagree. Ive driven a 2009 Si, and owned a 2015 Si for about 1 year. Both cars felt slower than my current 2017 Si even when I rang them out. I think people get deceived by the past generation Si feeling faster because of their screaming engines in higher rpms so you get that perception that you're going faster than you actually are but in reality line up all three generations and drag them stock and the 17-19 Si will most always come out on top.

I totally agree! I've owned 2008 si, 2015 si and now the 2017 si. Genx felt fastest among the 3. I also agree that those who thinks previous Gen are faster is bc of the high rev. This is the best gen Si.... performance and design. Just my opinion

jrse7en · Dec 10, 2018

xbbnx said:
I completely disagree. Ive driven a 2009 Si, and owned a 2015 Si for about 1 year. Both cars felt slower than my current 2017 Si even when I rang them out. I think people get deceived by the past generation Si feeling faster because of their screaming engines in higher rpms so you get that perception that you're going faster than you actually are but in reality line up all three generations and drag them stock and the 17-19 Si will most always come out on top.

I get what you're saying but the quiet nature on the 10th makes it feel a little slower than it actually is. All my VTEC motors had intakes on them and I'm sure it made them feel faster than they were because of the scream. Also, when you drive the car for a while tuned then revert to stock and drive around; it feels like a base Kia to me while most non-enthusiasts would think its fairly quick.

xbbnx · Dec 11, 2018

Not really related but a fun little race between the Si and the Touring Sedan. Si just an intake, Touring has 6psi base map tune. Si wins handily.

Swank · Dec 12, 2018

This is my first turbo car, my 8th gen Si was a whole different driving experience. I don't think I prefer one over the other engine/speed-wise, they are so different and have pros and cons, really apples and oranges IMO. I'm still learning how to effectively drive the turbo, and now winter has put the brakes on that, bah. I think anyone wanting a blatantly faster Si over previous gens needs either a ktuner or should have went with a CTR.

dc2turbo · Dec 12, 2018

xbbnx said:
Not really related but a fun little race between the Si and the Touring Sedan. Si just an intake, Touring has 6psi base map tune. Si wins handily.

I bet his CVT is going to break soon

Si Stuart · Jan 8, 2019

Driver mod and experience have a lot to do with biases as well. My friend has a 9th gen Si with an intake that can pull on me easy if I'm not in the right revs or miss a shift. I feel like they have the advantage from a dig but otherwise it's all on the driver

amirza786 · Jan 8, 2019

Si Stuart said:
Driver mod and experience have a lot to do with biases as well. My friend has a 9th gen Si with an intake that can pull on me easy if I'm not in the right revs or miss a shift. I feel like they have the advantage from a dig but otherwise it's all on the driver

Due to fuel cut-off coming early in both 1st and 2nd gears (I'm talking strictly stock here), many cars with equal power may get faster off the line, but I can tell you from experience that once you get past 3rd gear, are already at cruising speed, or are driving a steep incline, this is where the 10th gen Si shines. As an example, I was recently driving from Northern California to Southern Cal and was on a steep incline cruising about 70 mph on a two lane highway. There was a guy in a fairly new Dodge RAM pickup going slow in the left lane. Coming up in the right lane was an 18 wheeler truck going about 40 mph. The guy in the Dodge RAM did not want to move to the right, so I changed lanes to the right to pass him before we reached the truck, he suddenly decided he did not want to let me pass and floored it. I was now stuck in the right lane with me coming up to the 18 wheeler, so I slammed into 5th and floored it, passed him up and was able to get back into the left lane with plenty of room. I guess the guy in the RAM truck didn't take to kindly and tried to come up behind me to ride my bumper, I again put the pedal to the floor and left him behind. When I looked at my speedometer, I had nearly hit 100 mph and didn't realize it! The road was really curvy so he finally gave up.

Now I am not saying that I could beat his Hemi V8, if he pushed it he probably would have eventually caught up with me, but while on the steep incline I had a ton of power thanks to the boost and didn't have to go any lower than 5th gear while his truck had to downshift (I could hear his engine screaming as I passed him up) way down to pull the power out, and by the time he was pulling power I had already long passed him up

NoKz · Jan 8, 2019

amirza786 said:
Due to fuel cut-off coming early in both 1st and 2nd gears (I'm talking strictly stock here), many cars with equal power may get faster off the line, but I can tell you from experience that once you get past 3rd gear, are already at cruising speed, or are driving a steep incline, this is where the 10th gen Si shines. As an example, I was recently driving from Northern California to Southern Cal and was on a steep incline cruising about 70 mph on a two lane highway. There was a guy in a fairly new Dodge RAM pickup going slow in the left lane. Coming up in the right lane was an 18 wheeler truck going about 40 mph. The guy in the Dodge RAM did not want to move to the right, so I changed lanes to the right to pass him before we reached the truck, he suddenly decided he did not want to let me pass and floored it. I was now stuck in the right lane with me coming up to the 18 wheeler, so I slammed into 5th and floored it, passed him up and was able to get back into the left lane with plenty of room. I guess the guy in the RAM truck didn't take to kindly and tried to come up behind me to ride my bumper, I again put the pedal to the floor and left him behind. When I looked at my speedometer, I had nearly hit 100 mph and didn't realize it! The road was really curvy so he finally gave up.

Now I am not saying that I could beat his Hemi V8, if he pushed it he probably would have eventually caught up with me, but while on the steep incline I had a ton of power thanks to the boost and didn't have to go any lower than 5th gear while his truck had to downshift (I could hear his engine screaming as I passed him up) way down to pull the power out, and by the time he was pulling power I had already long passed him up

Yeah, you really shouldn't do a pull in 5th gear. It's an overdrive gear and the clutch will start to take issue with it sooner or later. Had you dropped to 4th, you would've really seen how the car pulls.

amirza786 · Jan 8, 2019

NoKz said:
Yeah, you really shouldn't do a pull in 5th gear. It's an overdrive gear and the clutch will start to take issue with it sooner or later. Had you dropped to 4th, you would've really seen how the car pulls.

I agree with you, but time was the issue here and I needed to get past him before I got stuck behind an 18 wheeler or crashed into it and needed to make a quick decision, sometimes you get brain locked trying to move from 6th to 4th gear. Secondly I was in and around the 3000 RPM range, so I was already in the power range I needed and lastly, I don't go WOT on my car a lot, this was one of those rare events

xbbnx · Jan 8, 2019

NoKz said:
Yeah, you really shouldn't do a pull in 5th gear. It's an overdrive gear and the clutch will start to take issue with it sooner or later. Had you dropped to 4th, you would've really seen how the car pulls.

Its okay to do a pull in 5th if you are at the right rpm. If you're doing a pull at or above 2000rpm you should be fine.

amirza786 · Jan 8, 2019

xbbnx said:
Its okay to do a pull in 5th if you are at the right rpm. If you're doing a pull at or above 2000rpm you should be fine.

I was driving around 70, so my RPM's were at maybe 2700, when I went into 5th gear it was well above 3000

Lukifer · Jan 8, 2019

NoKz said:
Yeah, you really shouldn't do a pull in 5th gear. It's an overdrive gear and the clutch will start to take issue with it sooner or later. Had you dropped to 4th, you would've really seen how the car pulls.

amirza786 said:
I agree with you, but time was the issue here and I needed to get past him before I got stuck behind an 18 wheeler or crashed into it and needed to make a quick decision, sometimes you get brain locked trying to move from 6th to 4th gear. Secondly I was in and around the 3000 RPM range, so I was already in the power range I needed and lastly, I don't go WOT on my car a lot, this was one of those rare events

I love using 4th gear on the highway. Its a great passing gear when your already doing more than 70mph.

You would probably give that Ram a run for its money in any situation.

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