TYPE R VS 18 GOLF R

xcoreflyup said:

For your pleasure...

Go ahead and get a product from a corporation who would do this...

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What is that?!

Toolz said:

What is that?!

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Audi 4.2L V8 in the S4. This pic is the BACK of the engine (will be facing the firewall when installed). Genius company decided to have the timing chain placed in the back of the engine and then use crappy timing chain tensioner and chain guides. You have to have the engine out of the car to replace them.

Good read, written by the great Doug DeMuro, in case some of you are wondering what's special about that crazy looking chain setup on that engine case.

https://jalopnik.com/here-s-why-the-v8-audi-s4-is-an-awful-used-car-1676466510

I had a 2016 Golf R. I don't care what anybody says, the manual in that car was bloody awful. Sloppiest gating of any manual transmission car I've driven. My Si is a dream by comparison.

OP, do you ever have to meet clients, or anything like that for your job? It's all subjective, but the Type R looks like a rich high school kid's car who's a huge fan of the Fast and the Furious. Some like that over the top look, with the huge wing and fake vents, but if you're not a kid, and you have to look professional for your work, pulling up in a Type R might give the wrong impression.

The Golf R looks understated and mature, and some might prefer that. I would certainly much rather pull up in a Golf for a business meeting than a Type R.

You might also consider getting a GTI, as the discounts are sizeable on them right now. If you really want more power, a simple tune can really give them a big boost.

Negan said:

OP, do you ever have to meet clients, or anything like that for your job? It's all subjective, but the Type R looks like a rich high school kid's car who's a huge fan of the Fast and the Furious. Some like that over the top look, with the huge wing and fake vents, but if you're not a kid, and you have to look professional for your work, pulling up in a Type R might give the wrong impression.

The Golf R looks understated and mature, and some might prefer that. I would certainly much rather pull up in a Golf for a business meeting than a Type R.

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I use my Type R as much as possible including for work. 4-5 months of Reactions to my Type R at work have been extremely positive. Although I could see being pre-judged for showing up in the R, I don't worry what someone might think about it because if they don't like me because of my car they can take a flying leap at the moon as far as I'm concerned.

This particular house is being built by a famous author. One day him and his wife were walking up past the car and her reaction was "OOOMMGG Who's car is this?? This is sooo coooool!!!" which I heard and opened it up for them and told her to sit in it, gave them a once around the car. He was blown away by the top speed out of a 2.0 liter engine. Another client I have is Czech and loved it and how the car sounded and when I told him how fast I had gone in the car he was also shocked and said how fun it would be to take out on the Autobahn. A third client was an old Vietnam vet and gear head who was working on engines in his garage so I showed him the "Honda hot rod" and although not his cup of tea (American muscle), he still thought it was pretty cool. A fourth client this weekend asked to check out the car, let him sit in it, he wanted to look under the hood and pretty much loved it as well, and I have more business scheduled with them for the future. A fifth client says "Hey! Cool Car!!!" every time I go to his house (as well as telling me how much his h.s. aged daughter loves the car). One of my main builders also loves the car and was impressed when I brought it home in June.

And don't forget about that cargo space when talking work...646 liters Golf R vs 727.7 in Type R

In conclusion, as has been said many times by many people, don't worry about what other people think when making YOUR car buying decision. Maybe I have rubbed some people the wrong way taking the Type R to work, but with the positive interactions that I have had, I feel like at best it is a wash, but probably more like another win for the Type R honestly as opposed to being a negative. For all of the people who can't get past the "childish" looks of the car, verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of hot hatch heaven.

Spent 2 years in charge of global supply chain operations for commercial and phase 3 drugs for a very large pharmaceutical company. Lot's of interaction with French and German counterparts in both Normandy and Frankfurt.

I can confirm that precisely no one cares what kind of car you drive. I've seen SVP's driving Civics and entry level analysts driving 3-series. No one ever gave those analysts a promotion because they drove luxury "adult" cars, and no one ever gave the executives crap for driving econoboxes.

davemarco said:

Spent 2 years in charge of global supply chain operations for commercial and phase 3 drugs for a very large pharmaceutical company. Lot's of interaction with French and German counterparts in both Normandy and Frankfurt.

I can confirm that precisely no one cares what kind of car you drive. I've seen SVP's driving Civics and entry level analysts driving 3-series. No one ever gave those analysts a promotion because they drove luxury "adult" cars, and no one ever gave the executives crap for driving econoboxes.

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I agree. People online obsessed with being "understated" are idiotic. They're just projecting their fears on everyone else - I work in a very conservative field and if anything, my car is a talking point. I guarantee that nobody gives a flying fuck about the car compared to my work performance - and if they did, they're not the kind of people I want to work for anyways.

You want to drive a shoebox? Go ahead, but don't tell me it's more "mature." It's just your insecurity showing. Driving a Golf R over a Type R because it's more "mature" just tells me you're some kind of small minded idiot.

Driveitlikeuboughtit said:

I agree. People online obsessed with being "understated" are idiotic. They're just projecting their fears on everyone else - I work in a very conservative field and if anything, my car is a talking point. I guarantee that nobody gives a flying fuck about the car compared to my work performance - and if they did, they're not the kind of people I want to work for anyways.

You want to drive a shoebox? Go ahead, but don't tell me it's more "mature." It's just your insecurity showing. Driving a Golf R over a Type R because it's more "mature" just tells me you're some kind of small minded idiot.

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Imagine you work in a field where you take important clients for lunch/dinner. Picking them up in something with a huge wing and giant fake vents doesn't look professional. You can get defensive all you want and talk about insecurity but the fact of the matter is that class matters in certain professions.

That aside, I find it ironic how you're assuming others are projecting their insecurities while you're the one getting really defensive. I personally prefer cars that look understated. Really. I do. I like simple, clean design. I like that the car I drive doesn't desperately scream for attention. If you like how the CTR looks - cool. Just don't project your views on others and pretend it's their insecurity.

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Imagine you work in a field where you take important clients for lunch/dinner. Picking them up in something with a huge wing and giant fake vents doesn't look professional. You can get defensive all you want and talk about insecurity but the fact of the matter is that class matters in certain professions.

That aside, I find it ironic how you're assuming others are projecting their insecurities while you're the one getting really defensive. I personally prefer cars that look understated. Really. I do. I like simple, clean design. I like that the car I drive doesn't desperately scream for attention. If you like how the CTR looks - cool. Just don't project your views on others and pretend it's their insecurity.

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Nice, getting defensive and insecure while calling others defensive and insecure. "desperately scream for attention", nice. Nice assumption about the car I drive and me. Phew, so casual about it too.

It's so sad that you make that pathetically sad calculation about the car you drive and client reaction and then go on to say you actually *prefer* the boring cars you're compelled by work to drive. Super sad - if you were a prison, I'd say the joint got to you.

The only situations where a car might matter to a high value client beyond "I'm not getting into that rattletrap", a Golf R isn't going to cut it either. You'd need an E or 5 series to properly impress. S-class is even better.

Driveitlikeuboughtit said:

Nice, getting defensive and insecure while calling others defensive and insecure. "desperately scream for attention", nice. Nice assumption about the car I drive and me. Phew, so casual about it too.

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I never said what car you drive or who you are. I don't care about either, it's irrelevant to the discussion. We are talking about whether the CTR's looks might create the wrong perception in certain situations.

There's nothing defensive or insecure about what I am saying. You just keep reacting to my posts like I am personally attacking you, i.e. being defensive. I am not. The word "desperately" might have been too much but the CTR really does scream for attention. That is its design goal.

Driveitlikeuboughtit said:

It's so sad that you make that pathetically sad calculation about the car you drive and client reaction and then go on to say you actually *prefer* the boring cars you're compelled by work to drive. Super sad - if you were a prison, I'd say the joint got to you.

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What I am describing is factually true. In some professions, the car you drive matters. That's a fact of life whether you like it or not.

It's not "sad" to make calculations about clients' perceptions - it's called business sense. If driving a car with a big wing might make me/my firm look unprofessional, then driving such a car doesn't make business sense. Perceptions matter. If you went to a law/financial firm and people there were wearing tank tops and baseball caps turned backwards, you would question their professionalism. Similarly, if an associate from such a firm picked up an important client in a Civic Type R, a similar perception might occur.

It is naive to think otherwise.

Driveitlikeuboughtit said:

The only situations where a car might matter to a high value client beyond "I'm not getting into that rattletrap", a Golf R isn't going to cut it either. You'd need an E or 5 series to properly impress. S-class is even better.

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There is the perception of wealth, and then there is the perception of professionalism. If you are trying to signal wealth to your clients, an expensive sedan might be appropriate. If you are trying to not look like a street racer/someone unprofessional, a more cleanly styled car is more appropriate. A Golf R doesn't signal wealth, but neither does it looks like the owner is really into the Fast and the Furious. Again, you might work in a field where this does not matter but it is foolish to think perceptions are not important across the board.

While I would never take things so far as to state that wanting to drive something more low key is a sign of insecurity, I also could not more strongly disagree with your generalized assertions regarding the appearance of professionalism and the type of car that one drives. If you wish to speak for a very specific field/business/role (perhaps with an individual sales focus), then I could envisage that as a defensible point. However, I will continue to hold that in the larger corporate world, I have never encountered a situation in which the vehicle that an employee drove mattered at all - even if that employee was the de facto face of negotiations. Decisions regarding large corporate contracts (B2B) simply aren't made on a level in which this would come into play.

I agree that your car doesn't matter "in the larger corporate world", which is why I am talking about specific situations like meeting/driving clients. Examples would be law firms, financial firms, and even real estate, depending on the market.

My friends and co-workers make fun of my Type-R all the time. I don't give a shit and laugh right along with them. The only ones who no longer laugh are the ones who have gone for a ride with me and had their guts shifted outside their bodies on hard corners.

slowride said:

My friends and co-workers make fun of my Type-R all the time. I don't give a shit and laugh right along with them. The only ones who no longer laugh are the ones who have gone for a ride with me and had their guts shifted outside their bodies on hard corners.

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I really love mortals (people that drive slow cars).

They get scared easily. I have videos of mortals screaming on my car during a launch. I don't know why. Is just a high 4s 0-60 car.
I wonder how they will react on a Tesla P100D