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i think i was following a self driving tesla today in heavy freeway traffic. either that or adaptive cruise, either way heaven help us. it stayed in the lane ok, but it could not keep a decent distance from the car in front. either too far away that it sped up to catch up only to apply the brakes or just far enough that it allowed every car to pass and cut in ahead of it. or just randomly applying the brakes. wasn't only pissin me off but seemingly everyone behind him after i went around. i surly hope this was not adaptive cruise and if so hondas works better.
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i think i was following a self driving tesla today in heavy freeway traffic. either that or adaptive cruise, either way heaven help us. it stayed in the lane ok, but it could not keep a decent distance from the car in front. either too far away that it sped up to catch up only to apply the brakes or just far enough that it allowed every car to pass and cut in ahead of it. or just randomly applying the brakes. wasn't only pissin me off but seemingly everyone behind him after i went around. i surly hope this was not adaptive cruise and if so hondas works better.
It's definitely interesting to see cars driving it self. But I don't think I can trust them just yet. I haven't driven along with one yet but I'm sure it wont be hard to spot?
 

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The technology has a lot of potential... and for people who regularly drive distracted, I think it may be an improvement.

The idea of a computer driving for me is a little hard to swallow. Between things like iRobot and HAL 9000 and other random things... the fear of technology supplanting humans is something that keeps being reinforced. We're potentially just a handful of years away from where millions of people in millions of cars could be basing their lives on 1s and 0s. Probably no worse than someone doing 10 over on a highway, not staying in their lane and about to hit you head-on because they're texting. I think part of it is that we can fathom assigning blame to a person if they cause an accident. Who's in trouble if HAL causes an accident? There was no human element potentially... so is any "one" at fault? Do we assign blame on the owner... for a dirty car and fouled cameras...? The manufacturer...? The software engineer?

We have something like 30-40 thousand highway fatalities in the US annually. If we cut that number by half... that's a huge victory... but ultimately, it's deaths caused by something other than a human being. Even if logically I can see it's worth it... I don't like it... and I feel like I'm a damn good driver. I don't something without a soul/non-sentient controlling my destiny.

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i think i was following a self driving tesla today in heavy freeway traffic. either that or adaptive cruise, either way heaven help us. it stayed in the lane ok, but it could not keep a decent distance from the car in front. either too far away that it sped up to catch up only to apply the brakes or just far enough that it allowed every car to pass and cut in ahead of it. or just randomly applying the brakes. wasn't only pissin me off but seemingly everyone behind him after i went around. i surly hope this was not adaptive cruise and if so hondas works better.
Perhaps you were following a tesla without EAP...afterall it is a 5k add for the model 3.
Without the autopilot feature you get an old style stalk set and cancel cruise control.
Yes, the civic and even the corolla have a very good stop and go adaptive cruise.
The low speed creep feature sold me on the civic and at almost a third the cost of a 3.
We’re at a halfway point for cars becoming fully autonomous so right now this is a shaky bridge technology is crossing.

https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-features-for-2018-1420699785509/
 

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I love this topic. I actually used to teach at a very small high school in northern California and I got to take the senior class on a tour of Google's headquarters in Palo Alto in 2013 I think. Our guide wasn't in the driverless car division but he got us a demonstration anyway! Chris Urmson himself did the demo.
These things will be the future, and for lots of good reasons. Don't judge based on Tesla, Elon Musk is rushing it.
In the demo Chris told us that 60% of all accidents are driver distraction. Driverless eliminates all of them. Traffic? When the lead car in a "train" of driverless cars can talk to all the cars behind it instantaneously they can drive inches from each other and "ta-da" no more traffic. And imagine the mpg's!
He explained how, back in 2013, that they wanted better GPS so they had invented a kind that improved accuracy down to inches rather than feet. He told us how the software engineers were perfecting how to identify dangerous objects by how they bounced so the car would know the difference between a rock and an empty soda can.
My point is Google is doing it right. They launch an open to the public ride service in Phoenix later this year. People ask them all the time about the liability issue. You know what they say? "Our cars won't get in at fault wrecks. Ever." They have literally millions of miles of testing now to prove it. As stated in an earlier post in this thread, idiots with cellphones are FAR more dangerous than driverless cars. I suspect when they are ready to sell them Google itself will accept all liability for accidents as long as driverless is engaged. Insurance, even for "drivered" cars would go way down. And think of how much everything else would get cheaper, now that the truck it came in on is driverless so no labor, insurance, and a lot less gas costs added into the price.
Anyway, I look forward to a future where the only people that drive cars do so because they truly love driving. And everyone else is safely being chuefured around by their robo taxis, not getting in our way.
 


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I'm glad I won't be around (I think) to see humans not be allowed to drive anymore because the safety Nazis say it just kills too many people. (I'm 58)
In the future "Big Brother" will totally control our lives I'm afraid.

My son who just turned 30 is convinced that the more technologically advanced we get the less jobs there will be for humans (it's already happening, trucks soon with no drivers like the above post says, just one example) and "Big Brother" will totally support most people with a place to live, a monthly or weekly food supply (of ONLY what's healthy for us of course) and essentials to live, like clothes, medicine ect........and of course no more street bikes because that just kills WAY too many people and is extremely dangerous.

Unlike Mr. Dustyroads above I for one AM NOT looking forward to living in a boring "sanitized" world like that!
No offense Mr Roads, just not a world for me.

The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia is already trying to FORCE people to use less electricity by charging us astronomical "tiered" rates (which I believe no other state does, and they haven't built a electrical power plant here since 1970) and now there's a push to limit us to 50 gallons of water per person (instead of trying to bring more water to the state with a pipeline from the Seattle area or Canada which has so much water they dump it in the ocean, literally!) I'm leaving Kalifornia for The Southern states after 32 years here in the Spring, can't wait! WAY cheaper cost of living for EVERYTHING and less state government interfering with my life.
Course I'll have to change my board name to "CharlotteCivicSI" :D:D
 
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Fully autonoumous (transportation PODs really) are both interesting and scary.

I like them due to reasons above (safety, reducing accidents, more streamlined traffic etc), but I hate the loss if individuality. I hate the loss because I enjoy driving.

Sometime "cars" of today and older will be forced to be driven on private roads (tracks) for pleasure only.

That said, will our pods of tomorrow ever:

1) Speed?
2) take shortcuts (ie, cut through the parking lot vs follow scripted maps?)
3) venture off road? ie, your at the kids soccer game and the lot is full.. will it pop a curb and park on the grass?


While the autonomous car is fantastic for city use, I wonder its application in rural environments. I am sure there are farm implements taking care of fields without operators but again, it seems sometimes like we are chasing technology for the sake of it, instead of asking why are we doing it...

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