Leasing issue, major regrets.

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So if you are lucky and everything works as above, you will have paid some $7000 for the privilege of driving the basic hatch for 16 months, which is about $440 per month?
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Of course. Thank God the bank volunteers to take the hit on depreciation. :thumbsup:
Lol read between the lines. Some people end up paying monthly to pay off a car for years, that when you sell it is just going to be valued much less therefore taking a hit to your wallet. Versus paying monthly for a car for 3 years, then switching it out for a new one and getting the benefit of a new car. It works out better in a lot of cases.
 

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Hey guys hopefully some of you come back to read this thread, I wanted to update everyone.
So I did some more research and actually sat down at a Subaru dealer, I am going back today 8/7 to talk more definitive numbers. Essentially Subaru (or any dealer) can buy my lease from Honda. As I mentioned it would be about $17k for me to buy it out, but for the dealer its less. They actually had a guy come in earlier that day with a similar situation and their buyout was slightly over $1,000 less than his so it helped him have less chance of negative equity/being upside down/in the red. So the appraisal guy kinda slipped and let out a little too much about how nice my car was, how well kept and that he wanted to buy it from me. With the light modifications he valued my car at $14,5xx, alluding to the fact I'd get around 2 grand more if it were stock which I assured him could be done (mostly just interior trim pieces and a few decals and my subwoofer really). So theoretically, and i'll be confirming today, if they get $1,000 less on my buy out ($16,1xx) and can add ~$2k to my trade value then I am set to leave my lease 20 months early with no penalty. So, if he really does want the car bad enough then hes going to have to give me what I want which is either no equity or positive equity. After that its just working out a deal on the STI they have that I've been looking at and I have decided that I'd be just as happy with a WRX if it doesn't work out well enough for me. But above all the equity situation has to be handled first, and my decision with that is that if they cannot get me to break even or go positive then Ill suck it up and eat the over mileage while mitigating some damage with my fathers spare car.

Side note: To all who keep saying "why dont you just buy the car out at the end" I have answered this many many times. This is not a car I want to keep for another 10+ years or pay more for once my lease ends.

Thank you ll for all your help/advice/opinions. I will be updating this thread tonight with the results of the buyout haggling. If it becomes definitive I will also create a new post to say goodbye to all and also to see if there is any interest in buying some of the parts I've added to the car (2017 Civic hatchback LX)

Husky Liner front and rear high wall floor mats
Black Mishimoto silicone intake tube (replaces corrugated part after airbox)
K&N Drop-in oiled filter (~19,000 miles on it cleaned recently)
Pre-cut red trim inserts for doors and dashboard (would have to be someone on Long Island, no sense mailing them)
They are romancing you also...keep that in mind when your trying to work your deal today or whenever you do it.
I assure you...that "$2000" more you will get will go somewhere...somehow into your next vehicle...via interest rate, or final price. You can work it down, and I would suggest playing hardball if you need to on it. Get the absolute best deal you can.
I also assure you he didn't "let out a little too much info". They wanted you to hear that. I promise you that. It's all a game, and they are playing it....you need to be as well.
 
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They are romancing you also...keep that in mind when your trying to work your deal today or whenever you do it.
I assure you...that "$2000" more you will get will go somewhere...somehow into your next vehicle...via interest rate, or final price. You can work it down, and I would suggest playing hardball if you need to on it. Get the absolute best deal you can.
I also assure you he didn't "let out a little too much info". They wanted you to hear that. I promise you that. It's all a game, and they are playing it....you need to be as well.
Trust me I've been to enough dealers with my dad when hes bought cars and when I was shopping around to understand that. I'm very aware I need to play hardball and that's what I'm doing today. They will either set up the sale today or see me for the last time today. I may have misspoke a little there but I definitely agree with you to a large extent. He's gunna learn that if he's saying things like that he better be ready to back it up. Most likely what Ill do is what my dad has done and take their financing offer then pay the loan off with a loan from something like TFCU for a lower rate. But well see. Thanks again!
 


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Do you have something to contribute or are you just being a dick because it suits you?
Iā€™ve contributed plenty in this thread...without being a condenscending dick, unlike you. Also, yes, being a dick suits me - thanks for noticing.
 

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Your best bet is to just keep driving. Don't worry about it and have the dealership eat up some of the mileage overage whenever it is time to turn in your lease.
I work for AutoNation and I see these situations a lot. There is not much you can do except keep driving.
 

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Lol read between the lines. Some people end up paying monthly to pay off a car for years, that when you sell it is just going to be valued much less therefore taking a hit to your wallet. Versus paying monthly for a car for 3 years, then switching it out for a new one and getting the benefit of a new car. It works out better in a lot of cases.
A contrast to this is a perpetual car (lease) payment. What it comes down to is long term vehicle costs. Our previous Civic was a 2004. Bought new for 17K, paid it off in 3 or 4 yrs. Then we did not have a car payment for that driver for 14 years. Maintenance over that time was about $4000. So $23000 over the 18 years of ownership. That's about $100/mo. Sure we 'took a hit' on the investment insofar as it was worth almost nothing when we got rid of it, but that's no different than having nothing to show for a car payment at the end of a lease. I'm not adamantly opposed to leasing like some folks here. It makes sense for lots of people and as tech advances increasingly so. A newer car might save your life. I think of leasing as kind of like a utility payment for transportation. Of course if I could have found a $0 down $100/mo lease for our Civic, I'd have jumped.
 

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A contrast to this is a perpetual car (lease) payment. What it comes down to is long term vehicle costs. Our previous Civic was a 2004. Bought new for 17K, paid it off in 3 or 4 yrs. Then we did not have a car payment for that driver for 14 years. Maintenance over that time was about $4000. So $23000 over the 18 years of ownership. That's about $100/mo. Sure we 'took a hit' on the investment insofar as it was worth almost nothing when we got rid of it, but that's no different than having nothing to show for a car payment at the end of a lease. I'm not adamantly opposed to leasing like some folks here. It makes sense for lots of people and as tech advances increasingly so. A newer car might save your life. I think of leasing as kind of like a utility payment for transportation. Of course if I could have found a $0 down $100/mo lease for our Civic, I'd have jumped.
Yeah exactly, if you're ok with keeping a vehicle for a long time then buying is much more cost effective and makes way more sense. Like you said though, a lot of people like keeping up with the tech and just the feel of driving a newer car, so leasing is much more cost effective and makes more sense for those kinds of people. Just depends what one is looking for, if they're looking to buy something that will last them in the long run then buying is the only option, but if they know they're going to end up selling the car in 3-4 years and their mileage is reasonable, then no point in buying unless the deal is insanely good.
 

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Most people have the idea they will always need a car payment. Whether or not itā€™s a lease or buying itā€™s all the same. Itā€™s not and you donā€™t have to have a car payment. Simply put , you need to put your hard earn money to work for you.

If you can not pay cash you canā€™t afford a car. You can try to rationalize it every which way but you are still borrowing money.

Take that car payment away and youā€™ll find yourself earning 12 percent a year on that money ā€˜notā€ going toward a car and your have all kinds of extra money.

Just ones mans opinion with over a 1/2 century of use.
Dave Ramsey offers dumbed down financial advice directed towards people who are bad with money, thats why he says you should never get a credit card. Almost everything he says can be ignorded if you understand how finances (leasing in this situation) works.
Thats the most ridiculous statement Iā€™ve ever heard and none of it true.
Leasing is a waste of money and people that do usually live paycheck to paycheck.
 
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Most people have the idea they will always need a car payment. Whether or not itā€™s a lease or buying itā€™s all the same. Itā€™s not and you donā€™t have to have a car payment. Simply put , you need to put your hard earn money to work for you.

If you can not pay cash you canā€™t afford a car. You can try to rationalize it every which way but you are still borrowing money.

Take that car payment away and youā€™ll find yourself earning 12 percent a year on that money ā€˜notā€ going toward a car and your have all kinds of extra money.

Just ones mans opinion with over a century of use.

Thats the most ridiculous statement Iā€™ve ever heard and none of it true.
Leasing is a waste of money and people that do usually live paycheck to paycheck.
Correct me if im wrong, but what you're saying is don't buy a car unless you can afford to pay the full cost upfront? Doing that only makes sense for a small percentage of people, ex: someone who is going to keep their car for the next 10 years and not going to buy another car for a long time. Otherwise, whats the point? Theres nothing wrong with borrowing money as long as you know you can afford to pay it back without an issue, then borrow away.

A lot of the times people (like me) can afford the car without borrowing, but would rather split it up over time. What you're saying is not really good financial advice to give to anyone because the fact is that someone may not have the money at the time, but are maybe at a point in their life when they know they will be making xxx amount and they can afford to finance/lease a car comfortably.

Basically, paying the full cost upfront only gives you a return on investment if you plan on keeping it long-term otherwise there is literally no point in doing that. Also, saying that someone who leases lives paycheck to paycheck is just about the dumbest thing I've heard, shows that you don't really understand how finance/money works at all my friend.
 

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Correct me if im wrong, but what you're saying is don't buy a car unless you can afford to pay the full cost upfront? Doing that only makes sense for a small percentage of people, ex: someone who is going to keep their car for the next 10 years and not going to buy another car for a long time. Otherwise, whats the point? Theres nothing wrong with borrowing money as long as you know you can afford to pay it back without an issue, then borrow away.

A lot of the times people (like me) can afford the car without borrowing, but would rather split it up over time. What you're saying is not really good financial advice to give to anyone because the fact is that someone may not have the money at the time, but are maybe at a point in their life when they know they will be making xxx amount and they can afford to finance/lease a car comfortably.

Basically, paying the full cost upfront only gives you a return on investment if you plan on keeping it long-term otherwise there is literally no point in doing that. Also, saying that someone who leases lives paycheck to paycheck is just about the dumbest thing I've heard, shows that you don't really understand how finance/money works at all my friend.
I really hope you could take some financial advise but later on in your life my advise will do you well.
Try punching in your lease payment into a savings calculator and maybe your net worth would be a million dollars someday.

https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/simple-savings-calculator.aspx
 

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Most people have the idea they will always need a car payment. Whether or not itā€™s a lease or buying itā€™s all the same. Itā€™s not and you donā€™t have to have a car payment. Simply put , you need to put your hard earn money to work for you.

If you can not pay cash you canā€™t afford a car. You can try to rationalize it every which way but you are still borrowing money.

Take that car payment away and youā€™ll find yourself earning 12 percent a year on that money ā€˜notā€ going toward a car and your have all kinds of extra money.

Just ones mans opinion with over a century of use.

Thats the most ridiculous statement Iā€™ve ever heard and none of it true.
Leasing is a waste of money and people that do usually live paycheck to paycheck.
Youā€™re over 100 years old? If thatā€™s the case, Iā€™ll take your advice, get rid of my cars and just walk the 20 miles to work. I didnā€™t know so many people could afford to NOT have a car.
 

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1/2 century with plenty of trial and error. Ive done ok by saving my whole life with savings and spending is not a issue now , see my signature. Leasing is just a way for the dealers to draw more money from the consumer.

Just trying to help, take the advice , throw it away but you can not afford something unless you lay those Benjaminā€™s on the table and watch them disappear.
 
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1/2 century with plenty of trial and error. Ive done ok by saving my whole life with savings and spending is not a issue now , see my signature. Leasing is just a way for the dealers to draw more money from the consumer.

Just trying to help, take the advice , throw it away but you can not afford something unless you lay those Benjaminā€™s on the table and watch them disappear.
Nice. Itā€™s turtles all the way down, man.
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