Amsoil Oil Type R

Aren't the stock drainplugs magnetic?

What’s everyone’s opinion on fumoto valve

Maximum6 said:

What’s everyone’s opinion on fumoto valve

Click to expand...

Worked great in my Mazdaspeed 3 and works great in my Outback. I think the fumoto valve works much better on vehicles that are further off the ground like SUVs and trucks. Even better with vehicles that have the oil filter on the top of the engine bay. No mess and it makes it easy to get samples of your oil sent in for used oil analysis if you are in to that kind of thing. I think the only advantage of having a fumoto valve in a car with the oil filter under the engine is that you can change your oil while the oil is warm/hot without worrying about burning yourself. Otherwise, it is pretty much the same amount of work since you still have to jack up the car and remove the oil filter and try to avoid making a mess.

Paper crush washer it has any good?

Going with Amsoil 0W20 Signature Series as well.

Maximum6 said:

What’s everyone’s opinion on fumoto valve

Click to expand...

Why on earth would anyone want any sort of "quick" or "easy" anything or something that could possibly fail in charge of keeping your engine oil in the sump? I can never wrap my head around this. It's not like removing a drain bolt is difficult? Why, no really, why add another potential failure point to what's probably the most important system on your car? Can someone explain this to me?

Maximum6 said:

Paper crush washer it has any good?

Click to expand...

Absolutely not

I personally use Amsoil SS 0w20 with Amosil EA Oil Filters...People are saying its better than WIX but its just opinions.

willimo said:

Why on earth would anyone want any sort of "quick" or "easy" anything or something that could possibly fail in charge of keeping your engine oil in the sump? I can never wrap my head around this. It's not like removing a drain bolt is difficult? Why, no really, why add another potential failure point to what's probably the most important system on your car? Can someone explain this to me?

Click to expand...

Could you explain to me how the fumoto valve is going to fail? I've used it in several vehicles and convinced multiple friends to purchase/use it. None of us have had any issues.

How is it any different than replacing an intake, exhaust, ecu reflash, intercooler etc?

If your goal is to minimize failure rates, why not keep the vehicle 100% stock?

Failure points. It CAN fail. A bolt has one failure point - where it screws into the pan. The Fumoto or whatever valve has multiple failure points. Where it screws into the pan, the gasket on the other side of the valve at the head of the banjo bolt, where the ball in the valve sits in the housing, the screw(s) that go through that ball have to be sealed to the housing, and then the possibility - no matter how small - of the valve opening unintentionally. So, where the factory bolt has one failure mode, you've multiplied that by 5 when you installed that valve. It probably won't fail, good for you and your friends that it hasn't, but what's the trade off? That you don't have to - shock horror! - unscrew a bolt?

And that goes to your second questions, how is different from replacing other parts. The intercooler is a good example - you have the same failure points. The two places it bolts to the charge piping. So, no change. The exhaust is another good example, you might increase the possibility of failure by let's say, 5x, like that Fumitomo valve. But with it, you're ostensibly getting performance gains. Also, you have to compare the effect of a failure. Your exhaust leaks? Oh no, soot on your pipe and some noise. Hell, it could fall completely off and you're engine wouldn't care. However, if your drain plug fails, and your oil starts to leak out, that's a major problem.

Sometimes I think people search for ZOMG MODS!!!!!!! for want of problems. These cars have gotten really far from the elegant solutions found in the clever and deceptively simple engines of the '90s, but I will never, ever understand why people like to add layers of complexity. That's some Euro sensibility.

Agree with @willimo. I have never understood why those valves are as popular as the are... you still have to get underneath the vehicle to open it! And even if the failure rate is 0.05% on that fumoto valve, no thanks. The track events I attend in my area do not allow those on the track for a reason...

My point when it comes to mods is, it doesn't matter if the mod is 100% fail safe. There will always be people that are not too smart that will install it improperly that will cause issues and the person will blame it on the part.

You're overreacting over a $30 product. It does not multiply by five. At most is two. The ball joint and the bolt onto the oil pan. Some people like the convenience of flicking a lever to drain their oil pan. It's quicker, less mess, and ability to drain the oil directly into a container.

Great, you're making me sound like a sales person, I'm out. Continue your one sided rage on how fumoto valve is the devil. Keep your vehicle 100% stock and continue cursing people who install fumoto valves, oil catch cans, oil coolers etc. Because those extra parts are zoomg mods and will increase their risk for failure by 100000000x,

Z06_Pilot said:

I actually just ordered my first case of Amsoil yesterday. I ordered the Signature Series. Planning to have the dealership change using my Amsoil and a H0nda OEM filter...and a new crush washer of course!

2300 miles on the clock. I am planning on getting it changed next week, to get the factory oil out.

Click to expand...

Hopefully, the person that changes the oil, will tighten the drain plug properly, and will secure the metal shield afterwards. Good luck with that!

Civics4Ever said:

Hopefully, the person that changes the oil, will tighten the drain plug properly, and will secure the metal shield afterwards. Good luck with that!

Click to expand...

Well, I have no way to get it into the air myself, so I have to trust somebody. I have been getting my oil changed by dealers for over 10 years, and that includes everything from a GT-R, two Z06's, an Element, two different Mini Coopers, Boxster S, Cayman S, Cayenne S, two Toyota Tundras, and I have never had any oil change related issues....

I have read the owner's manual. from an oil change procedure perspective, it's just another Civic and I'm sure they have a lot of practice since Civics are all over the road. I'm really not concerned.

leehom said:

Continue your one sided rage,

Click to expand...

Calmer than you are. Lol.

Maximum6 asked for opinions. I gave mine. It's not doom and gloom, it's "but, why?"

willimo said:

Calmer than you are. Lol.

Maximum6 asked for opinions. I gave mine. It's not doom and gloom, it's "but, why?"

Click to expand...

sysjl said:

Worked great in my Mazdaspeed 3 and works great in my Outback. I think the fumoto valve works much better on vehicles that are further off the ground like SUVs and trucks. Even better with vehicles that have the oil filter on the top of the engine bay. No mess and it makes it easy to get samples of your oil sent in for used oil analysis if you are in to that kind of thing. I think the only advantage of having a fumoto valve in a car with the oil filter under the engine is that you can change your oil while the oil is warm/hot without worrying about burning yourself. Otherwise, it is pretty much the same amount of work since you still have to jack up the car and remove the oil filter and try to avoid making a mess.

Click to expand...

Funny how you ignored his answer and asked why.