Current '17 Si owner, Should I move up to a Type R?

CWCTR2018 said:

I think you need to do more research online because the type r can be bought at MSRP or 2500.00 over MSRP but would include accessories.

I think you are in denial bud and trying to justify your SI purchase, but its ok you did a disservice to yourself not calling around

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Not all dealers are like that.. if you did your research you would see that lots of people are paying way more then msrp. Way more. Very few people get it at msrp and if you do it’s cause you know someone or you fought really hard to get it at that price. It’s documented all over, not speculation.

davemarco said:

This is simply not true and you do a disservice to your fellow forum members by saying so.

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It is true. I was offered a Type R at my dealership (about two months after buying my Si) for MSRP. No markup. They wanted to move it fast. I declined for the reasons I listed previously. It didn't last long; it was sold after about a month. Honestly I was surprised it lasted that long.

17siturb0 said:

Not all dealers are like that.. if you did your research you would see that lots of people are paying way more then msrp. Way more. Very few people get it at msrp and if you do it’s cause you know someone or you fought really hard to get it at that price. It’s documented all over, not speculation.

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to add to what you said above

You have to put a deposit down and put some effort into getting the car. You cant just walk into a dealer like the Civic SI and buy the car. I have called all around the United States besides the western states and had the opportunity to buy the car at MSRP with one stipulation that I had to buy 2500 in accessories. The car is obtainable at MSRP and if you paid over MSRP then those people are stupid

The CTR is easy to track on the Honda website when they are in transit. I have the opportunity to buy a 2019 already by Jan 19 or before, I might sell my champ white for Black and if there are changes in tech/body design i might do it. I will be more than happy to upload my purchase and sales agreement minus the dealers name and oh btw its MSRP no accessories..

Luckyarmpit said:

It is true. I was offered a Type R at my dealership (about two months after buying my Si) for MSRP. No markup. They wanted to move it fast. I declined for the reasons I listed previously. It didn't last long; it was sold after about a month. Honestly I was surprised it lasted that long.

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some dont last a week, my strategy was put down the deposit asap when the car was released and i got one in my state

now it is impossible to get one due to wait lists but there are dealers out there in the north east , texas etc that will sell you the car at MSRP if you live in the state or if you purchase 2500 in accessories. Get on the honda website and see if the car is in transit and call asap, you will get lucky and get one. You might have to fly out and drive back but it is so worth it.

I am glad i got into my CTR the car will not lose its value , by the time its paid off in 6 years, it will be still worth 20k and on the 10th year mark it will probably sell for 20k just like the S2000 is doing now.

If i couldnt have gotten the CTR , i would have picked up the SI during the Honda finance sales event that occurred last month. 0.9% financing , military discount, or student .. What a deal on a 25k car .
I guess the only thing that had me concerned on the SI was the transmission made in India, it has already been proven the flywheel, clutch cannot handle 300/300 HP /TQ and will cause slipping.

For me the advantages outweighed the differences and I could get over the heated seats, sunroof, and a camera that turns on when i make a right turn. If they offered the SI in a hatchback I probably would have bought it then.

I got 2.75 % for 6 year loan on my CTR

CWCTR2018 said:

I guess the only thing that had me concerned on the SI was the transmission made in India, it has already been proven the flywheel, clutch cannot handle 300/300 HP /TQ and will cause slipping.

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The transmission is solid actually. Not sure why everyone has this ultra high expectation that the stock clutch needs to be able to hold almost double its power output that’s just absurd. The flywheel is perfectly fine, not weak one bit and there proof of that all over, so not sure why you are bashing it or where you got that information. Change out the clutch for something stronger and you are all set. The Si and even the base model 1.5s are solid, so long it’s the manual of course. I will agree however out of the box the Type r is the better buy if you are looking at performance and track use. The average buyer isn’t buying it for those aspects though. That’s where the Si comes in being the better value for the majority.

17siturb0 said:

The transmission is solid actually. Not sure why everyone has this ultra high expectation that the stock clutch needs to be able to hold almost double its power output that’s just absurd. The flywheel is perfectly fine, not weak one bit and there proof of that all over, so not sure why you are bashing it or where you got that information. Change out the clutch for something stronger and you are all set. The Si and even the base model 1.5s are solid, so long it’s the manual of course. I will agree however out of the box the Type r is the better buy if you are looking at performance and track use. The average buyer isn’t buying it for those aspects though. That’s where the Si comes in being the better value for the majority.

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After Hondata released its finding with Just a Stage 1 tune no additional mods of reported Slipping, that turned me off. Anything over 270FTLB tq the car will exhibit issues with slippage.

Makes me wonder if the accord 2.0 sport is using a beefier flywheel /clutch now

krees said:

Totally get you with the office colleagues. Several years ago when I worked in an office, I'd occasionally have to be the guy to drive so 4 middle aged dudes would pile into my 2007 Honda fit. Nobody wanted me to drive but we couldn't upset the rotation. Now that I work from home, I'm totally ok with being a man baby! I've been driving basic economy cars for so long raising my kids. Now my kids are teenagers and I'm ready to be a kid again.

I did actually go try to pickup a charcoal (or whatever) 18 type r and was offered 18-19k for the si and they wanted 10k over msrp for "accessories" so I declined. I called a few other dealers all wanting adm so I got lazy and haven't really looked since.

I sort of go back and forth. One week I'll be so anxious to get a type r but then I'll drive the si and then want to keep it. I think I just need to drive si more often because it really is a fantastic platform and a super value.

In the end it's always cheaper to keep 'er.

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I’m in the same boat as you. I have a Red Si coupe and I’m a middle age father of two teens. I’m also the manager at work but to be honest, why should it matter what you drive? I couldn’t really care what the techs or other managers feel about my car. I put almost 20yrs of car enthusiasim on hold to raise my kids and now it’s time for me to return to that enthusiasm. Working from home a lot also has its benefits as I’m not racking up the mileage, the car stays cleaner for longer and it reduces the probability of stone chips lol.
I had the 2017 sedan last year and as soon as the insurance was up, I traded up to the 2018 Si and that is one of the benefits of leasing.
When I’ve had this one for a couple of years, I’ll look at either the type R or the Si hfp. I know the hfp is only really slightly different but the type R takes a lot of your cash for what it is imho. The Si is right there in value for money. You get a good package, for not too much more cash out of your pocket and the hfp gives you that little extra so that may be the way I go in a couple of years. For now, I’m enjoying my little red coupe at almost 50yrs old lol.
Mike

CWCTR2018 said:

After Hondata released its finding with Just a Stage 1 tune no additional mods of reported Slipping, that turned me off. Anything over 270FTLB tq the car will exhibit issues with slippage.

Makes me wonder if the accord 2.0 sport is using a beefier flywheel /clutch now

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5k+ miles on my Si with Vit stage 1 tune, down pipe and intake.

Not a single issue clutch issue.

I have never driven a Type-R, but I prefer my Si coupe from a looks, features, and cost standpoint. I would never pay what dealers are asking for them even though I can afford it. Also, I think the Type-R is hideous, maybe if there were a couple version with a sunroof, heated etc I'd consider it.

Chief 08 said:

I have never driven a Type-R, but I prefer my Si coupe from a looks, features, and cost standpoint. I would never pay what dealers are asking for them even though I can afford it. Also, I think the Type-R is hideous, maybe if there were a couple version with a sunroof, heated etc I'd consider it.

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Anyone paying over MSRP is not a savvy shopper. It's not hard to find a dealer that's not price gouging.

Doublestack00 said:

Anyone paying over MSRP is not a savvy shopper. It's not hard to find a dealer that's not price gouging.

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I wouldn't pay MSRP either.

Chief 08 said:

I wouldn't pay MSRP either.

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A little off topic, but what is it like driving an Si in Germany seeing as how its a North American only trim, get alot of attention and questions?

xbbnx said:

A little off topic, but what is it like driving an Si in Germany seeing as how its a North American only trim, get alot of attention and questions?

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Honestly there are so many Americans here, it's not that unusual to see Americans spec cars. However, I have only seen one other current generation Si here so far, so it's a bit exclusive for the moment.

I did recently end up trading my 17si coupe for an 18 pmm type r and the type r is obviously the better car all around. So here is my take now. The si was a great car but was not enough stock for me. I tuned and that made it better certainly but I was still not satisfied (maybe it was power or maybe it just wasn't that special of a car).

With the type r, I have a better platform to start with, plus I'm going to stay stock for a while. The performance of the stock type r leaves me satisfied so I can keep the warranty for a few years and enjoy that piece of mind. I'm still breaking in the r so I still haven't felt all the power but I'm still so much happier in the r. I find myself going to the garage throughout the day to just look at the r. I was not fond of the overdone exterior of the r but now I kinda like it.

If you are happy with the si then stick with that as it's cheaper all around and it's a great car when tuned. If you are like me though and wanted a special car that performs fantastic then get an r. I didn't pay MSRP but I could of. I ended up paying for accessories instead of driving the si up to VA and trading on an MSRP deal and then driving the r back to Florida.

I got a great deal on the si...I got a meh deal on the r but I feel so much better about owning an r than an si.

In the end they are both great cars but my heart was set on an r so that's all that would do.

I will be throwing on a lighter set of rims and putting some longer lasting tires on it to save on tires. Insurance (Allstate) was only about $140 over what I pay for the si for the year so that was a pleasant surprise. The gas though...Im averaging 23mpg in the r and was around 34 in the si.

For me, like most ppl i assume, the only reason we dont upgrade to the R is the price. If we could afford it im pretty sure at least 80% of us Si owners would get the R.

If i trade in my Si id have around 1500 in negative equity. And with no down payment, it would make my monthly payment like 600 or something, which is crazy, and a payment that id never be able to afford.