While the Civic Si feels somewhat more sporty due in part to its weight and suspension, the Accord Sport 2.0T 6MT has the same lateral grip as the Civic Si and is faster by all metrics (except top speed, which is electronically limited to a lower value in the Accord). The Accord Sport 2.0T 10AT is considerably faster than the Civic Si. These were my hands-on observations as an Si owner who drove the Type R and Accord on a track for a couple of days earlier this week.
First all, congrats on your decision. We know the Si was giving you a bunch of bad vibes after the two incidents. Sometimes its best to start anew. Second, thanks for your contributions, they were very helpful for many of us. I believe you're making the right decision. The Accord is the superior comfort car, the Si the better driver's car. I don't think anybody would dispute that. I think I understand why the Sport appeals to you. I have a BMW 540i auto with the Sport Package. I freaking love that car. I've had it for almost 12 years now! The Accord is similar in that it has power, comfort and handles. I don't think you'll regret it because every garage should have a car like that. That said, if you could only have one car, I'm not so sure there's a right or wrong answer, only what the mind wants at that stage in time. Seems like in your current stage, comfort, power and some handles is what you want. So I wish you good luck and hope it brings joy back into driving for you.
Fair and valid points.
What is "BP & PB Command" on the datalog? ive never noticed those parameters on my k-tuner logs? also does the datalog show the effects of the CDV? thksThe two biggest inhibitors seem to be the boost lag between shifts and the CDV. Both are optimized to minimize drivetrain shock.
Boost lag between shifts is the biggest thing I’ve noticed. Especially, if you don’t turn the vsa off. Spin into 2nd and the vsa will instantly kill acceleration. It’s almost dangerous imo. Seems Honda took a lot of care to minimize how hard you can be on the drivetrain. I’m interested to see the next gen Si and if they keep it dumbed down or the give it some of its edge back like the ones of the past.
As the general driving population becomes dumber, manufacturers seek to reduce warranty claims, and lawyers become even more greedy, manufacturers will continue to implement safety devices to protect their interests.
Optimal shifting point... When driving mine I cruise at 3-3200K no mater what gear I am in.
As far as shifting goes.
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Have you no lift shifted without any issues on 100% stock Si?
That may be true but you could shift as fast as your ability and it would run the second back in gear. This car likes to say, not so hard where as the past ones said, is that all you got. (Had a 09 and 12 si). The 09 was the last of the Honda’s of yesterday imo. That car was raw. But don’t get me wrong, I love this car...I mean, love it...and wouldn’t go back to the prior ones...it’s so nice to have power down low where most people spend their time on the daily commute etc...
Between the 'good old days' of the old ~8k RPM K20 or the ~7k RPM K24... both with well less power than this car stock and certainly the 9th gens with its own problems with it's stock tune... horrific rev hang and oddly hesitant now and then, even with good traction running 93 octane... I'm pretty pleased. I drove the 10th gen Si then still kept my 9th gen to sleep on it for a few days... the had to keep it a week longer to wait for my car to be delivered. While I'll agree the last 500-1000 RPM in the 10th gen isn't much to write home about... the quick enable and adjustments made what lag that exists pretty minimal. Given all the old turbo cars I've fooled with over the years, it isn't the least laggy I've ever experienced, save maybe one of those inline 6 Bimmers... and the one I drove was a long time ago. I bet they're even better now.
