FlashPro for CTR tuning results

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The FlashPro CTR web page is now live. Ask your tuning questions here.

Friday March 30th 2pm Pacific Daylight Time we have an Instagram live broadcast where we will take your questions and discuss the gains of various bolt-ons.

FlashPro is much much more than just making power and torque. Hondata's central guiding principal is education. Our goal is to educate you with easy to use software, comprehensive datalogging, dyno days, well staffed tech support lines, and videos. That way you can make the best decisions for improving the performance of your car. This knowledge is worth hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.

FlashPro, along with our tuning expertise is the best bang for the buck for your Civic.

Lets start off with the lowest possible gains on a stock CTR with 91 octane.

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The web site details a 93 octane tune, but for now we will jump straight to an E25 tune.

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There is more to come, but for now this is just the beginning.
Will there be an ability to to tune with tables/ customizing a tune based on modifications that have been done to the car?

Will there be an ability to have each mode of the car hold a different power setting?
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If we are running intercooler, intake, exhaust, dp/fp combo with the E25 tune. Will we run into issues with the fuel pump reaching its limit? Thanks!
A stock engine runs into the limit of the fuel pump. Easily. Every calibration we have limits the torque to keep the fuel pump below its limit.
If you are going to run ethanol then first install a gauge so that you at least know what the ethanol content of the fuel is. If you have 93 octane fuel in your area then I would consider running that as the difference between 93 and E25 is not huge. I'm not that keen on the octane boosters, even though they do raise the octane and lower knock, as I'm uncertain about the long term effect on engine deposits.
 

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sry for all the questions. will we be able to do live tuning on some of the parameters?
 
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Can different tunes be setup for the different settings on the adaptive modes? Example: Comfort Mode is Stock power and driveability, then Sport Mode is the Stage 0 tune, and +R mode would be set to the Stage 1 tune. Thank you for your support, excited to hear other features and details!
Yes. Each mode and gear is tunable. I'll post a screenshot shortly.
 
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Will there be an ability to to tune with tables/ customizing a tune based on modifications that have been done to the car?

Will there be an ability to have each mode of the car hold a different power setting?
Yes and yes. There is some neat things we've done with calibrations to make it easier to change calibrations for different modifications.
 


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Thanks very much @Hondata !! The stage 2 calibration can be installed on a bone stock type r correct ?
 
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sry for all the questions. will we be able to do live tuning and some of the parameters?
Not yet. The bosch ECU doesn't work like the Honda ECUs so it is more difficult to do live tuning. But on the flip side, there is less tuning to do. Mostly it is limiting air charge to keep the fuel pump and knock happy and tuning the throttle tables for traction.
 
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Thanks very much @Hondata !! The stage 2 calibration can be installed on a bone stock type r correct ?
We have calibrations for a bone stock vehicle using 91 octane, 93 octane and E25. We're not calling these calibrations stages. The aforementioned calibrations are tuned for the best power, knock, fuel etc for the stock engine. If you want less power than you can easily de-tune the throttle maps.
 

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Is this dyno a hub dyno? 317 at the hubs seems to suggest that the car is underrated from the factory, or are we looking at a pretty optimistic dyno (or is a 'crank simulation' number)?
 

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Is this dyno a hub dyno? 317 at the hubs seems to suggest that the car is underrated from the factory, or are we looking at a pretty optimistic dyno (or is a 'crank simulation' number)?
even if the dyno is generous, the main thing to focus on are the gains over the stock readings.
 


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The short answer is look at the gain not the actual numbers.

It is our dynopak, which is a hub dyno, and it is pretty well known that it reads higher than most dynos. As far as what the factory rating goes, it is hard to say what the engine makes at the flywheel. There's several factors I can see. First, looking inside the ECU it always has limits operation (maximum EGTs, maximum pressure ratios, maximum turbine speeds) so never reaches the maximums of the factory tables. But after putting 3 stock FK8s on the same dyno they all read within 1 hp. The other thing is that Honda can underrate an engine at will. With the AP1 S2000 they were rated at 240 hp and dynod at about 210-215. When the AP2 came out they were rated at 240 hp and dynod at 230+ hp.

We've done comparisons with dynojets and you can more or less apply a 7% correction to reach dynojet numbers. But it is more complex than that, because on a roller dyno much depends on the tire and if we plot the same car on the dynopak and dynojet then in the mid range the dynojet reads higher than the dynopak. Also on a roller dyno with some tires you can see the tire grow right about 100 mph, which increases the tire loss a fair bit.

The hub dyno is far better for tuning than a roller dyno. No tires loss. More repeatable. Ramp rate can be configured.

By way of comparison, the 8th 9th and 10 gen Civic Si were all rated by the factory at 200-205 hp. On our dyno, their peak power was measured between 200 and 204 hp.
 
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Saw a comment about buying a clone ECU to maintain the factory ECU stock if I want to revert for warranty or whatever other reason. Is that clone ECU bought through you as well, or through Honda? What is the price for a clone ECU? I'd like to maintain my stock one if possible.
 

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whelp I just pulled the trigger & ordered a full flashpro & ecu jailbreak setup.. unfortunately it charged me twice. Becarful with that last button, I didn’t think my order went threw , but it did. Now my credit card has 2 charges. Hopefully Hondata can help take care of me.
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I did the same thing... there's no congratulations or thank you prompt to confirm that your sale has gone through. It just resets as if something went arry. Bet more people get double wacked too.
 

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I did the same thing... there's no congratulations or thank you prompt to confirm that your sale has gone through. It just resets as if something went arry. Bet more people get double wacked too.
Yep , same thing happened to me , just let hondata know & they will only bill you once :thumbsup:
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