Save the money, stick with factory intake.

I'm sure as more parts come out it will change. On the 9th gen forum he had a list of all the best parts to buy. As people put parts on their car and start tuning he sees what makes power and what doesn't, then he'll let us all know. Hopefully. But I guess until tuning, he only gets to see the results of what's available to him.

Dr_Drache said:

so please explain this a bit more? how did the fitment suck? how did the welds actually look? if you are going to bash a company (hiddenly), then praise a company (that doesn't EVEN YET SELL ) a competing part; at least you could do it with less bias?

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Can you explain where in the language of my post you found the words "praise" or anything even remotely synonymous with it? We'll be using PRL's DP, if it has the same problems, I'll say the same thing. I'll even call them up and tell them. The whole point of not naming any names is I am not bashing -- I stated we found 20hp in the part as we were interested in seeing what it does. The quality was very low and I gain nothing from an online battle about it, so I'm moving on.

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You'd rather not talk about the downpipe you got? But you have no problem bashing their quality?

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Hey, let's be clear. You asked me for a free ECU under pretenses of "helping out". You can't help me out -- but I can help you out, and the ECU costs money. If you want to purchase it, happy to sell you one. We don't do giveaways.

Ever since this (what was it, 4 line?) conversation on Facebook we've watched you rage some sort of "Vit hate/libel" campaign. Be careful what agenda you push.

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This is why anyone reading this post needs to understand where Vit's motives are coming from. Same with his bashing of ALL intakes. My best guess is the only items that will make power are PRL products only.

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This isn't "bashing". It's a simple statement. I'm curious -- have you owned a Subaru sometime in your past? This mentality is very Subaru -- "tell me what I want to hear or you're bashing".

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However, I've seen the "PRL is the only proven" hive mentality over on the 10th gen Civic FB group.
Even the Admin of that group PINNED "Best Intake- PRL Cobra". And who Proved that it made power? I think it was you Vit?


Everyone should take notice of any "Proven" products from Vit.

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Hey, I don't run that page, nor have any control what is posted on that page.

I never posted any power gains from the PRL intake. I simply provided IAT data as compared to the stock airbox. If I recall, I didn't even post any specific gains from the DP, because to date even with all the bolt ons combined on the car we've only made something like 18-20hp over tuning the car stock on E40 fuel. The turbo on the 1.5T is very restrictive and it's hard to find more gains once you have good fuel in the tank.

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Message to you Vit: I think you're a great tuner with a wealth of knowledge beyond most of the people in this community. But I have been following your posts in different groups. If my assessments are wrong, please clear the air. You are valuable to our community. But if you aren't transparent on only pushing one manufacturer, then I can't say for certain that we all will listen.

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I would ask you park your obvious agenda and very misguided comments to yourself. You have no idea what manufacturers I'm working with. Or at what level. We have the wheels turning to bring in and test parts that will extend the capability of this car beyond the dismal ~380-390hp "safe" limit before the fuel system starts pegging out and dropping fuel pressure.

jonnys_honda said:

So everyone know's MY motive's, simply to test ALL products available to me and report back to the community. Not push any ONE manufacturer. I've never said, buy Eibach or nothing. I give my experience and you draw your conclusion.

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Your motives are not that simple nor that transparent.

Dr_Drache said:

GOOD QUESTIONS!

why go on an injen rant - and post that infomation, then push PRL?
really thought it was to help people customers out, this makes it look like to help PRL out.
are you against testing another intercooler? I am sure we can get you one for testing purposes.

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Where did you gather I'm 'pushing' PRL? I could of just as easily named another company. Would I be pushing them too because I want to try them out?

Let's be very clear on something: I try and test parts in my free time. After I've taken care of business and our customers. I do not have a limitless amount of time. Eventually I have to draw the line and stop. If you were a customer and wanted a chunk of my time you would surely prefer I help you out instead of spend X amount of hours being unavailable.

We're trying a few other parts on the car being provided to us by manufacturers, feedback on those parts will be sent to the manufacturers when they are the ones providing parts, regardless if there are gains or not.

Daa1216 said:

Don't get me wrong PRL is awesome I'm a huge fan but other companies make good stuff too. I feel like someone in Vits position shouldn't be so biased. If the quality sucks but it made power why not just say what company it was. I understand maybe there's a loyalty to PRL and all but it's good to have options and if in that kind of position where alot of ppl look up to you being bias isn't right imho.

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See my response above.

I want to add to the inconsistency of testing on the stock ecu.

Here's a dyno from an international customer. The dotted lines (3 top ones) are one car. The dashed lines (2 bottom ones) are another. The first car seems to be happier than the second car (still ha some fluctuations). The second car has an aftermarket Dp on it, and the ECU is very angry. You've got a nearly 30hp swing in power between the two pulls! I suspect you'll continue to see this kind of behavior even "tuning" the stock ECU (maybe not as wildly as a completely stock tune) as you're always going to be working with the built in torque model in these computers.

It’s saturday and I need to spend time with family.
But I want to clear the air on your false statement. I wanted a free ECU?


As the image shows, I offered to help test products. Being that I have so many. Never asked for a handout.

jonnys_honda said:

It’s saturday and I need to spend time with family.
But I want to clear the air on your false statement. I wanted a free ECU?


As the image shows, I offered to help test products. Being that I have so many. Never asked for a handout.

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Uh huh. "Team up for remote tuning" after I announced our tuning system. How exactly do you intend to facilitate this remote tuning? Haven't heard a peep about purchasing it. How do you want it to be interpreted?


Don't waste your time justifying yourself, it won't change anything.

Come on guys! Stop it! This is ugly!

Now I don't care to take sides but you have to kinda think about it from his perspective.
He did a back to back test of an intake and came to a conclusion that the stock intake wasn't a restriction so maybe he decided to not test the other intakes further.

Even though he has his own shop, his time isn't "free". He could be doing other stuff to make money (he is a business after all) instead of wasting time dyno-ing every single intake one by one to prove to us that none of them make power. There's literally nothing to gain on his end by doing this "testing".

Dr_Drache said:

so please explain this a bit more? how did the fitment suck? how did the welds actually look? if you are going to bash a company (hiddenly), then praise a company (that doesn't EVEN YET SELL ) a competing part; at least you could do it with less bias?

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have you seen a business when they promote their own product and say "Company A can do this, but ours can do even more" or in a similar matter? Have you ever wondered why they always call it Brand A or Company A? Businesses can't just bash another business with their name publicly. That's called slandering or defamation.
He also said he's going to use the PRL DP and nowhere in his post was praising their quality ...

02SilverSiHB said:

I think I might cancel my mishimoto order

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I’m thinking about canceling it too. I hate to spend $373 for just sound.

gabe187 said:

I’m thinking about canceling it too. I hate to spend $373 for just sound.

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Yeah the more I thought if it...wonder if the stock in box resonator can be taken out like on the FA5 I had

Don't know what the big deal is, but dyno your own car before and after an aftermarket install and fill us in with your results. Claiming someone has an agenda instead of doing your own research isn't cool.

Results will be different for everyone and without enough data, it's silly to argue about it.

Battle of the Type-R alpha male... who’s the coolest seems what this community has gone to.. lets just enjoy the cars and all the new developments... Vit i love all the updates on your tuning solutions and what you’ve done soo far .... and Jhonny i love all the sweet Pics and wheel setups you share... lets keep it friendly and family

jonnys_honda said:

In that case, bore out the intake manifold correct?

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Turbo inlet, charge pipes, intercooler, throttle body, turbine housing, downpipe. All can contribute to volumetric efficiency.

Please lets stick to the subject and stop with the personal attacks.
All and all it is nice to see that the OEM inlet is not that bad after all. Then how other brands perform time will tell.

@jonnys_honda Keep up the good work bro! Ignorance is bless!

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