New Accord getting the engine the Si SHOULD have?

CSIG1001 said:

it uses the same transmission as the type r though

still you think they removed it? I cannot confirm this anywhere yet. Pretty sad so called professional you tube reviewers dont mention this

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A lot of the components have been changed in the engine and transmission. I think they removed the LSD. That’s a main component, and they definitely would have put that info out if it had it.

17siturb0 said:

A lot of the components have been changed in the engine and transmission. I think they removed the LSD. That’s a main component, and they definitely would have put that info out if it had it.

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Confirmed
no thanks accord

The Accord is slightly better equipped overall - mostly when it comes to safety. For 2018, Honda Sensing is standard on all Accords - including those equipped with the manual transmission. The Accord Sport 2.0T also adds LED low-beam headlights, LED fog lights, automatic high beams, and a power driver’s seat over the Civic Si.

What the Accord lacks, however, is the Civic Si’s Adaptive Damper System and one very important feature - the helical limited-slip differential - which is very useful for traction, handling, and for reducing torque steer. Even the Civic Si’s 1.5L turbocharged engine will easily spin both front tires all the way through first and part of second gear on dry pavement. I certainly don’t expect the situation to improve with the Accord’s 40% higher engine torque and open differential.

zx2down said:

Honestly I've usually chalked this up to the fact that the Camry is a safe, bland car and is normally driven by people that rarely speed, drive hard, or are older. I can't even think of the last time I saw a Camry speeding in traffic that probably wasn't a kid in his moms car. The Accord has always stood out as a more aggressive styling and is more often driven by a person that wants sensible, but places fun over MPG/reliability, but still REALLY wants those things too.

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Come to NYC where all the TLC drivers have road rage..

The 2.0t is detuned and made to run on regular fuel.

I'd assume the same for the 1.5t in the Accord. However, it was advertised to have more power than the non-SIs at 192hp/192torque. If that's true, its tuned and running on 87 octane, where is the extra power coming from (assuming everything else is equal [ie turbo])? It could be as simple as a more aggressive tune to compensate for a heavier vehicle. It is vtec? Can we use a Accord head, get a tune and make more power albeit not as much for the money as a tune itself. They already had a single '18 w/a 1.5t in the showroom last week.

charleswrivers said:

The 2.0t is detuned and made to run on regular fuel.

I'd assume the same for the 1.5t in the Accord. However, it was advertised to have more power than the non-SIs at 192hp/192torque. If that's true, its tuned and running on 87 octane, where is the extra power coming from (assuming everything else is equal [ie turbo])? It could be as simple as a more aggressive tune to compensate for a heavier vehicle. It is vtec? Can we use a Accord head, get a tune and make more power albeit not as much for the money as a tune itself. They already had a single '18 w/a 1.5t in the showroom last week.

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def cant use the accord head those are two different motors.

burningoilagain said:

def cant use the accord head those are two different motors.

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Doesn’t matter if it’s a different motor. The question is, if it fits or not.

burningoilagain said:

def cant use the accord head those are two different motors.

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Fair enough. I thought both 1.5s we're essentially the same. There was stuff on this thread earlier that made it sound like the Accords 1.5t would have vtec. I know the 2.0t does. It's a K series still, as I recall.

The new 6spd accords will not have LSD equipped.

charleswrivers said:

Fair enough. I thought both 1.5s we're essentially the same. There was stuff on this thread earlier that made it sound like the Accords 1.5t would have vtec. I know the 2.0t does. It's a K series still, as I recall.

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Ahhh sorry i was comparing the 2.0 vs 1.5! but regardless there wont be a 1.5 vtec motor. Only vtec motor currently in the 10th gen hondas is the type R and accord 2.0.

Also heres a link on differences between the type R and accord! Enjoy https://jalopnik.com/heres-exactly-what-makes-the-2018-honda-accord-and-civi-1820164645

17siturb0 said:

Doesn’t matter if it’s a different motor. The question is, if it fits or not.

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Regardless whats the logic to it ? Because a 2.0t wont fit on that new 1.5 block and theres no reason to swap a 1.5 accord head so..

Yep... read it already and is a good read. I didn't know what the difference between the Accord's 1.5 and ours was. May be essentially the SI motor w/a conservative tune to run on 87. It's power output it unique when compared to any of the Civics.

There is no point to do swaps with these newer cars. Swaps were for the older models, mainly for track use.

17siturb0 said:

There is no point to do swaps with these newer cars. Swaps were for the older models, mainly for track use.

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Pretty much.

charleswrivers said:

Yep... read it already and is a good read. I didn't know what the difference between the Accord's 1.5 and ours was. May be essentially the SI motor w/a conservative tune to run on 87. It's power output it unique when compared to any of the Civics.

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Yeah def a good read!
And compared to the si its the same power plant but uses different internals for sure.

burningoilagain said:

Yeah def a good read!
And compared to the si its the same power plant but uses different internals for sure.

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Not only that the 2.0t accord will handle like a boat unlike a si or type r
The type r is the way to go for pure performance and suspension performance, even the type r has way different suspension parts, you could never make a si better then the type r no matter what parts you threw at it to do the undercarriage design . After it’s all said and done even if possible you should have just bought a type r because you would have spent about 10k in perfmance parts and labor. IMO