Selling/Sold my Blue Type R Today, follow up

Design · Aug 1, 2017

Boostlag said:
New Si is pretty disappointing...its slower than the N/A si.

CSIG1001 said:
for 2k more you can get a much much better AWD wrx

I really like how the '17 WRX drives. For 27K you get AWD, twin scroll, a nice linear HP/TQ curve, a flat bottomed wheel, and not much else. Aside from the bolstered seating, the interior/feature set is painfully basic (even when compared to the "base" Si lol). The ergonomics are relatively poor. Even the seats themselves lack proper support for longer drives. The Focus ST takes everything wrong with the WRX and makes it a little worse. Seating position is way too high. And the Recaros are too bolstered near the shoulders/upper back to be comfortable for longer drives (a common complaint even among ST owners). It's a great driving car, but a tough car to rack on the miles.

Aside from the GTI, I found the Si the best behaving daily of the bunch. It's down on power and is tuned for more understeer than the competition. But everything else it does reasonably well.

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boosted180sx · Aug 1, 2017

Design said:
The Focus ST takes everything wrong with the WRX and makes it a little worse.

I have to totally agree with this lol.
I love the WRX's motor. But the interior although better than the previous gens still is very basic and their infotainment system is just trash to use to me.

Literally the only problem people have with the SI is the fact that they stuck a 1.5T in there. But what's done is done. Just add few bolt ons and a tune and make like 240hp/270 torque or something and it'll be fast enough and perfect for 95% of the people who will probably buy the SI. It's good to have 300hp and all that but how often do you really use that in your day to day drive.

SpraykwoN · Aug 1, 2017

The Si needs an option for the Touring Package. IF Honda offered that, I may be more inclined to get an Si over the Type R, moreso because it would be more daily driver friendly from what I have seen in this thread.

Also, I can see Honda possibly offering another iteration of the Mugen Si down the line. It did well before so why not again?

RODSCIVIC · Aug 1, 2017

Design said:
I really like how the '17 WRX drives. For 27K you get AWD, twin scroll, a nice linear HP/TQ curve, a flat bottomed wheel, and not much else. Aside from the bolstered seating, the interior/feature set is painfully basic (even when compared to the "base" Si lol). The ergonomics are relatively poor. Even the seats themselves lack proper support for longer drives. The Focus ST takes everything wrong with the WRX and makes it a little worse. Seating position is way too high. And the Recaros are too bolstered near the shoulders/upper back to be comfortable for longer drives (a common complaint even among ST owners). It's a great driving car, but a tough car to rack on the miles.

Aside from the GTI, I found the Si the best behaving daily of the bunch. It's down on power and is tuned for more understeer than the competition. But everything else it does reasonably well.

Seating position in the ST takes some getting used to and once you figure out what the best position is then it's not an issues. Compared to the Civic though the seating position is pretty high no matter how you adjust it. The Recaros take about 2 months to break in properly and become comfortable. I have the all leather ones and can tell you I have no issues with comfort on longer drives, I drive 140 miles round trip everyday except weekends.

dpaglianite · Aug 1, 2017

Boostlag said:
NO way you're getting a new SI for anything close to 22k OTD. In that range you can get a GTI sport or a Focus ST2, Both which are a more performance oriented car. New Si is pretty disappointing... its slower than the N/A si.

No true at all, I got my brand new 17 si for 22,700

Boostlag · Aug 1, 2017

dpaglianite said:
No true at all, I got my brand new 17 si for 22,700

what hidden fees were there? I also meant OTD. 22k is feasible in a flyover state, also depends on how much extras were tacked on.

Mick the Quick · Aug 1, 2017

dpaglianite said:
No true at all, I got my brand new 17 si for 22,700

The reference to $22K was for OTD. Sales tax + doc fee + tags/reg.

BlackStud525 · Aug 1, 2017

Mick the Quick said:
The reference to $22K was for OTD. Sales tax + doc fee + tags/reg.

pretty much hes saying he got 5k+ discount off sales, which is super rare to be getting that much of a discount off a 25,000 vehicle from a si . If he shows the bill of purchase, im sure everyone will buy the si. Last time i asked for proof he never showed it.

leehom · Aug 1, 2017

BlackStud525 said:
pretty much hes saying he got 5k+ discount off sales, which is super rare to be getting that much of a discount off a 25,000 vehicle from a si . If he shows the bill of purchase, im sure everyone will buy the si. Last time i asked for proof he never showed it.

Yup, OP is full of crap from all the posts I read. Surprised he hasn't changed his profile picture yet. Looks like he wants to stand on his soap box a little longer.

CSIG1001 · Aug 2, 2017

Design said:
I really like how the '17 WRX drives. For 27K you get AWD, twin scroll, a nice linear HP/TQ curve, a flat bottomed wheel, and not much else. Aside from the bolstered seating, the interior/feature set is painfully basic (even when compared to the "base" Si lol). The ergonomics are relatively poor. Even the seats themselves lack proper support for longer drives. The Focus ST takes everything wrong with the WRX and makes it a little worse. Seating position is way too high. And the Recaros are too bolstered near the shoulders/upper back to be comfortable for longer drives (a common complaint even among ST owners). It's a great driving car, but a tough car to rack on the miles.

Aside from the GTI, I found the Si the best behaving daily of the bunch. It's down on power and is tuned for more understeer than the competition. But everything else it does reasonably well.

Doesnt matter how good the car is , if the guy cant drive you will always win

CSIG1001 · Aug 2, 2017

BlackStud525 said:
pretty much hes saying he got 5k+ discount off sales, which is super rare to be getting that much of a discount off a 25,000 vehicle from a si . If he shows the bill of purchase, im sure everyone will buy the si. Last time i asked for proof he never showed it.

around 22 k before tax is not rare for a car priced at MSRP. THe si will drop when the new accords are released because who the heck wants a under powered 1.5t when i can get a 2.0T and add modds for even more HP/TQ

btw honda and most dealerships in the USA are not making money so maybe they will start to drop
check the news

CSIG1001 · Aug 2, 2017

The OP trading in his type R for a SI ,it might be next to impossible right now to get a SI 22700. In 6 months i think it will change drastically.

SICivicTypeR · Oct 31, 2017

dpaglianite said:
Certainly,

Keep in mind these are my opinions and many will disagree

The Type R is by far and away built to perform its a damn T-Rex between your legs and the SI is not even close to it. The R flat out rips the road apart and leaves you literally saying HOLY SHIT as you do it, pure male enhancement pill for driving around town. The suspension, the cornering, the turbo and roar of the engine are zero letdown.

Until.... a pot hole or until 8,000 miles and welcome to 1000ish bucks for a set of good replacements that will buy ya 12,500ish miles. It already had the Brembo brake squeal backing up and 1st gear slowing down at 300 miles. I already had people standing around it even parked waay out as to not get it door dinged, I was paranoid over theft of the rims and the car itself.

The blue R looks like a transformer pure badass, the adrenaline wore off in 4 days and turned into stress for "me", no spare tire, it needs a flatbed to tow, can't really drive it on long trips over these issues and became really clear this is not a daily driver for me at all no damn way! There are 2 machines that can change the tires in my area it had to be taken to an Acura dealer in another town. I literally could not keep it over the rims and tires and was not about to spend 2000 for a set of decent set 18's that were not intended for this cars performance.

Now I have an SI, I had them drop a spare in it, the seats are close minus the extreme bolster and red color, they were uncomfortable for me and honestly the SI's are only slightly less bolster to the same bolster at best. I do not have any anxiety over the SI getting ripped off or worry over flats n pot holes leaving me stranded.

I feel like I can drive this car on long trips and not be worried if I pot hole/rip a sidewall. The tires are standard and can get a replacement pretty much anywhere. The stereo and console feel exactly the same, except maybe nav, I never use nav anyway cant even remember if it was in the R.

Bottom line, if you daily drive it and it's going to be your only form of transportation and you need it to be super reliable then the R is probably not for you. If you don't mind putting 18's or 19's on it to lessen the threat of serious pothole damage then hell yea get the R, the performance is not going to let you down at all ever!

The SI is still fun, it shifts well and has power, just nothing like the R, I see you can add a vit or hondata and turn the SI into something much different if you are willing to risk the warranty, I am on the fence here big time, nobody clearly says if just adding that is super risky or not for going 0-80 around town and between freeway jumps of 25 miles n back. If I did it that is the only thing I would do, and folks in this thread seem to think the clutch won't hold up...

I really hope this helps someone, because the whole thing was one hell of a failed impulse buy for me. Also to be perfectly honest even after all this I still want a WRX STI but they have their own issues that still would not let me pull the trigger. I expect by the end of 18 I will be driving one of those, something about the performance exhaust and all wheel drive keep pulling me to it.

I own a 2017 R and Si and the above is a fair assessment. The Si feels more refined and smooth as where the R is all race all the time. There is noticeable power differences but the Si still feels fast in its own right. If you want a fun car and can’t find/afford an R the Si is the way to go. The one thing to add is that I feel more nervous driving and parking the R than the Si. The front of the R sits very low so curbs and parking spots are hazards. The Si doesn’t not have that issue. Overall both great cars in their own ways.

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LongRun · Oct 31, 2017

My CTR is still on its first tank of gas, and I have some concerns about it as a DD, but if I traded it in it would not be for an Si, for the simple reason that I want a hatchback. I test-drove the Si and liked it, and can totally see going with it if you want a sedan. I really didn't like any of the other Hondas I drove for one reason or the other, but would have preferred to spend under $30k for a car. I was planning on keeping whatever car I bought for 10-20 years, but only time will tell if the 2017 CTR is an OMG classic like the S2000 or is easily superseded in a few years, in which case I might trade it in then.

I live in the city, so I haven't changed a flat tire myself in over 20 years: just too easy to call AAA. There is an awesome tire shop that specializes in street-legal track cars nearby that can totally handle these 20" wheels, plus I got a 5 year protection plan for $400, so I feel I'm covered there. I will put Lojack and a GPS tracker in the car so I can relax about it getting stolen. I don't drive 10,000 miles a year so the tread wear and gas mileage are not a big deal. I'm looking forward to taking up autocross.

For me the big selling points of the CTR are the rev matching (I still cannot get my feet into a position to "heel-toe") and the HP and gearing to be able to keep the car in 2nd all the way down to 5 MPH and accelerate back up again. If it weren't for that, I might have given up on having a really fun to drive car and gotten the Civic Hatch Sport (not Sport Touring) for ~$20k. As it is, though, I was due for a mid-life crisis sports car, and the CTR is it.

warrendeath · Nov 1, 2017

Congrats to the OP, but the Si feels mundane, normal and plain. I've seen so many of them. Furthermore, the reviews and practically everyone I've talked to who has driven it (including myself) have been let down.

The Type R is special, warrants attach and has great acclaim. I couldn't take that step back (and yes, I believe that's A LARGE step back).

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