2018 Civic begin arriving on dealerships on OCT 3rd

jalop is repeating the VTEC on the 1.5T:

Two engines are available in the 2018 Honda Accord: a 1.5-liter VTEC turbo rated at 192 horsepower and 192 lb-ft of torque and the 2.0-liter VTEC turbo out of the voracious Civic Type R. Sort of.

boosted180sx said:

I still don't believe they are adding VTEC to the 1.5L in the Accords. They love to call VTC, VTEC for some reason.
Does the 2017 CRV have vtec or is it just vtc?

According to temple of vtec, the new accord's 1.5L is a L15BE engine.

If you look at the 2017 CRV window sticker, it lists the engine as L15BE

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I pointed the same thing out to them on their twitter.

Zooropa82 said:

I don't know anymore but isn't the 2.0T true VTEC like the CTR?

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I thought the 2.0T was was exhaust only in both cases because the Turbo fed air so fast into the intake side it wasn't needed to be on both sides.

zx2down said:

I pointed the same thing out to them on their twitter.

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yeah when I saw them post the L15BE picture, I started looking at the CRV 1.5T because I remember it being different than the L15B7 and sure enough it was the same engine code.

Unless tuners manager to get more power or a better power-band from the Accord 1.5T than the Si I don't think we will ever get any real indicative answer to if the VTEC would be anything that Si would have benefited from. Even then, unless it's a dramatic change I don't think a swap would even be worth it unless you are doing a full engine build anyway.

Though to get a even comparison someone would have to take an engine dyno, put a Si engine on it then also run an Accord 1.5T with the same intake manifold/cams, ect as the Si. That's the closest to a "direct" comparison you could get, but its likely not worth the money either.

If someone would just post a picture of the cams, it'd be helpful

Zooropa82 said:

I don't know anymore but isn't the 2.0T true VTEC like the CTR?

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and yeah, the K20C1 has vtec on the exhaust side.

boosted180sx said:

If someone would just post a picture of the cams, it'd be helpful

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should be in the part system already if the 2017 CR-V has it

zx2down said:

should be in the part system already if the 2017 CR-V has it

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the part number shares with the civic 1.5T it's safe to assume the crv doesn't have it. Not to mention, it doesn't have a spool valve so

Then I'd say the Accord doesn't have it either. Sounds like more confusion of VTEC and VTC.

In Germany every Civic engine has VTEC, the 1.0 three cylinder does it have on the intake side, the 1.5 doesn't have it all. I can only speak for my country that this is a new marketing strategy, nothing more.
But wait... the engine codes on the civics are L15B7, where's the difference in the L15BE?

tehSteve said:

Sorry I keep forgetting that you don't have n Si.

I see your invoice as $24,701.
$26,600 is your MSRP

The destination is a charge the dealer pays additional to the actual invoice.
So $24,701 + $875 = $25,576

So you are lower than $25,576 for OTD?
Congrats you just payed lower than what the dealer did.

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Invoice isn't what the dealer paid for the car.
https://www.carbuyingtips.com/car4.htm#car4-how-much-did-they-pay

Archangel said:

Hopefully the infotainment system from the 2018 Accord complete with radio knobs!

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I've been hoping they add a knob or two to it, but I hope the screen/dash design does not look like the 2018 Accord. Another plus for the Accord though is the HVAC controls seem to be separate from the infotainment display, unlike the Civic.

The CRV's looks much better:







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nuowner said:

I don't understand what all the fuss is about the lack of knobs. And I agree with the 'afterthought' sentiment. If the only control was on the touch screen, then yeah... because that sucks. Steering wheel controls are all I've used in the last two or three vehicles.

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http://www.civicx.com/threads/your-dont-need-a-volume-knob.2599/
Knock yourself out.

According to Honda, VTEC stands for Variable valve Timing & lift Electronic Control.

VVTLEC would be a more correct acronym for the system, but it doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as VTEC which leaves out a very important "V" for valve" and "L" for "lift". In other words, one could say that VTEC without electronically-controlled lift would still be electronically-controlled (valve) timing.

Honda's acronym for electronically-controlled variable valve timing is VTC which they say stands for Variable Timing Control. Even though VTC applies to valve timing, they don't mention valve timing specifically, so one might assume it refers to ignition timing. Honda should call this VVTC. Most cars have had variable (ignition) timing for decades.

Then, you have the fact that variable valve timing is one thing while variable valve lift is another, so an engine could have either or both.

Then, you have i-VTEC. OH, boy. GM's equivalent of what Honda calls VTC (Variable Timing Control - timing of what?) is VVT (Variable Valve Timing - which makes more sense).

So, Honda might as well call the 10th gen Civic's 1.5L turbo engine VTEC and just say that it now stands for "Variable (valve) Timing Electronic Control", which is what VTC (Variable (valve) Timing Control) does.

Personally, I'm not fond of the VTEC in my Ridgeline or other Honda's I've owned with it. Instead of a "surge" of power above the changeover point, I get the feeling that I'm being "cheated" below the changeover point due to the sudden change in power and sound.

I've been around Hondas long enough to realize they can come up with some oddball acronyms and even names for parts (i.e., calling an aluminum wheel a "disk"). I attribute this due to translation between Japanese and English.

zroger73 said:

VVTLEC would be a more correct acronym for the system, but it doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as VTEC which leaves out a very important "V" for valve" and "L" for "lift". In other words, one could say that VTEC without electronically-controlled lift would still be electronically-controlled (valve) timing.

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that's what toyota calls it. They have VVT-i and VVTLi. Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence and Varitable Valve Timing with Lift Intelligence system