Honda Civic Type-R Over sticker dealer naughty list.

gtolio · Sep 13, 2017

HONDA X said:
I just spoke to the sales manager from Norm Reeves West Covina earlier today that told me on Saturday to qualify to purchase the red type R at msrp I must me a previous customer. Well I definitely qualify if that's the case. Today when I spoke to the sales manager it was a whole new different story. 1st off I asked him about accessories that are offered for the price of 43k. He said that there is a markup on the car and that I cannot find one anywhere within a 100 miles radius for less than the 7-8k markup. So I guess that customer loyalty crap about purchasing the car at msrp was all bs and another version of their sales talk lol. He also told me nobody in California has sold the car at msrp. Lol I guess he probably never heard of Thousand Oaks and Sierra Honda that sold all their CTR's at msrp. I told him I pass on the red one since it's not my desirable choice in color and will only buy a red CTR at msrp. I told him I prefer gray as my first choice. He then told me they have a gray one coming in soon. I bet it's the same gray one from Norm Reeves Cerritos because they like to shuffle around their CTR's with other Norm Reeves dealers making it seem like there are getting in large shipments of CTR's and selling them with 5k adm plus accessories.

I wouldn't buy anything from them if they were selling at invoice. It's one thing to sell a car at its (however inflated) market value. It's entirely another thing to outright lie to people and move cars around to look like you are selling them.

boosted180sx · Sep 13, 2017

HONDA X said:
I just spoke to the sales manager from Norm Reeves West Covina earlier today that told me on Saturday to qualify to purchase the red type R at msrp I must me a previous customer. Well I definitely qualify if that's the case. Today when I spoke to the sales manager it was a whole new different story. 1st off I asked him about accessories that are offered for the price of 43k. He said that there is a markup on the car and that I cannot find one anywhere within a 100 miles radius for less than the 7-8k markup. So I guess that customer loyalty crap about purchasing the car at msrp was all bs and another version of their sales talk lol. He also told me nobody in California has sold the car at msrp. Lol I guess he probably never heard of Thousand Oaks and Sierra Honda that sold all their CTR's at msrp. I told him I pass on the red one since it's not my desirable choice in color and will only buy a red CTR at msrp. I told him I prefer gray as my first choice. He then told me they have a gray one coming in soon. I bet it's the same gray one from Norm Reeves Cerritos because they like to shuffle around their CTR's with other Norm Reeves dealers making it seem like there are getting in large shipments of CTR's and selling them with 5k adm plus accessories.

sounds like typical dealerships to me. That's nothing new.

It's just a way for them to get you to come in.

9000RPM · Sep 13, 2017

Tameron Honda in Birmingham, AL is being secretive about their price. Won't tell me what it is unless I show up and sit down with a manager. So we can probably add to the naughty list

Honda Marketing · Sep 13, 2017

Before you pay 1 penny over MSRP for the CTR you should go test drive a BMW M240i or a M2. You can get the M240i at least $4000 below MSRP. I test drove all 3 cars, the Bimmers are faster, more luxurious, and fun to drive than the Type R. Besides the fun to drive part the M240i/M2 has better reliability record, Consumer Reports gave the BMW 2 series 5/5 for reliability and 3/5 for the Honda Civic. The Bimmers do not have the gears grinding, Overheating, Rev Matching, and other misc problems.

If you haven't got your CTR and still on the wait list, you should seriously consider the 2018 model or wait for the 2019 variants. Probably faster, cheaper, with less problems. I personally bought the M2 and will consider the 2019 CTR variant in the future. Don't give your hard earn money to the greedy Honda dealers.

gtolio · Sep 13, 2017

Faster in a straight line from a dig maybe - anything else and it's a slim chance. And as far as reliability goes, I wouldn't own one out of warranty. They aren't unreliable cars, but the complexity means that there are far more opportunities for something to go wrong, and when it does, you're not fixing it at Honda prices.

Also, I think you're blowing the CTR issues out of proportion just a little bit. There was an issue with a wiring harness that has been fixed. The overheating issues all happened on 90° and over track days - not perfect, but I don't think many people complaining understand the amount of demand that puts on a car. And I'm sure if there's an issue with grinding it will be sorted out, although I'm not entirely convinced that it's not normal noise due to break-in. Bottom line, it's a brand new model - every manufacturer has these kind of problems, BMW included. They will be sorted out during the warranty period. It's a non-issue.

Also, the M2 is $15-20k more than the CTR???

boosted180sx · Sep 13, 2017

gtolio said:
Faster in a straight line from a dig maybe - anything else and it's a slim chance. And as far as reliability goes, I wouldn't own one out of warranty. They aren't unreliable cars, but the complexity means that there are far more opportunities for something to go wrong, and when it does, you're not fixing it at Honda prices.

Also, I think you're blowing the CTR issues out of proportion just a little bit. There was an issue with a wiring harness that has been fixed. The overheating issues all happened on 90° and over track days - not perfect, but I don't think many people complaining understand the amount of demand that puts on a car. And I'm sure if there's an issue with grinding it will be sorted out, although I'm not entirely convinced that it's not normal noise due to break-in. Bottom line, it's a brand new model - every manufacturer has these kind of problems, BMW included. They will be sorted out during the warranty period. It's a non-issue.

Also, the M2 is $15-20k more than the CTR???

I agree. BMW is a car I would lease and not buy. I don't care what any report / magazines say about their reliability. Parts in general are far more expensive than Hondas. Also surprised you were able to find one for msrp or even an allocation at that. A month or so ago when I decided to look into M2 because of the ridiculous CTR mark up, there was a mark up on M2s also.

Heat issues can be taken care of with better oil coolers, radiators, etc. I haven't personally experienced the grinding issue so I am not sure on that. Although I do have to say, M2s sounds INSANE with an exhaust. Can't beat the sound of a I6 turbo.

evolutionX · Sep 13, 2017

thx for the civic type R 's performance
You can get good deal on , Sti, Focus RS or M240I
No markup pick the CTR
Markup um... pick others

gtolio · Sep 13, 2017

evolutionX said:
thx for the civic type R 's performance
You can get good deal on , Sti, Focus RS or M240I
No markup pick the CTR
Markup um... pick others

I agree, but a smart (patient) buyer shouldn't be paying markup on any of those cars. So, for comparison's sake, you have to look at MSRP vs MSRP. The M240i is way more money than the others, which are already more than the Type-R.

UFO CTR · Sep 13, 2017

boosted180sx said:
...Can't beat the sound of a I6 turbo.

yea you can, 18,000 rpm V10 F1 engine going down the front straights

I know I've cheated by comparing with race engine. Anyways, the M2 already sounds hella good stock.

gtolio · Sep 13, 2017

UFO CTR said:
yea you can, 18,000 rpm V10 F1 engine going down the front straights I know I've cheated by comparing with race engine. Anyways, the M2 already sounds hella good stock.

I'll go with the Porsche 917K flat 12.

For a street car, an Audi RS4 V8 with straight pipes is pretty unreal.

I could spend hours listening to these... haha

boosted180sx · Sep 13, 2017

UFO CTR said:
yea you can, 18,000 rpm V10 F1 engine going down the front straights I know I've cheated by comparing with race engine. Anyways, the M2 already sounds hella good stock.

I'm a little bias. I'm a huge fan of RB26's, 2JZ's, and BMW I6's

9000RPM · Sep 13, 2017

We already have a German car. My wife wanted it but she has no clue how much it costs to maintain the pig. We took it to the dealership at 11k for a vibration when AC was set to max air. 2 motor mounts were replaced under warranty. I don't even want to know how much it would've cost me out of pocket.

That being said, I am contemplating a 2018 GTi if Type R prices are still crazy by March/April 2018. As much as I like the new BMW 2 series, it missing another 2 doors and a hatch.

Honda Marketing · Sep 13, 2017

gtolio said:
Faster in a straight line from a dig maybe - anything else and it's a slim chance. And as far as reliability goes, I wouldn't own one out of warranty. They aren't unreliable cars, but the complexity means that there are far more opportunities for something to go wrong, and when it does, you're not fixing it at Honda prices.

Also, I think you're blowing the CTR issues out of proportion just a little bit. There was an issue with a wiring harness that has been fixed. The overheating issues all happened on 90° and over track days - not perfect, but I don't think many people complaining understand the amount of demand that puts on a car. And I'm sure if there's an issue with grinding it will be sorted out, although I'm not entirely convinced that it's not normal noise due to break-in. Bottom line, it's a brand new model - every manufacturer has these kind of problems, BMW included. They will be sorted out during the warranty period. It's a non-issue.

Also, the M2 is $15-20k more than the CTR???

First, I am a Honda (Acura) fan. I love Honda and have been driving Honda almost my entire life (Civic, Prelude, accord, Acura TL-TypeS, NSX). I would have purchased the CTR if dealers near me are willing to sell it to me at MSRP. All the dealers around my area wanted MSRP plus $11K of accessories so out the door would be around $50K. So I started searching for other fun sports car at this price range and the M240i showed up on almost every search.

I have never owned a BMW and never had any intention of owning one due to high maintenance costs. But I went to test drive the M240i anyway just out of curiosity. I am not a BMW fan and have never driven one until last month. But it was much more fun driving the 335HP rear wheel M240i than the CTR on public winding roads within legal limit. And I can buy one at $47K out the door, $3K less than the CTR with ADM.

Then I test drove the M2 and it got me at first hello. The exhaust noise is intoxicating. The acceleration and handling is 1 class above the M240i. The M2 gave me a smile every time I stepped on the gas paddle. I must have this car in this life time before I die and I bought it for MSRP ($55K + tax). It came with 4 years / 50K miles warranty and 3 years free maintenance. The only 2 items not covered are the break pads and tires. If I plan to keep my M2 beyond 4 years than I would buy extended warranty before it expired.

I am not saying you should buy the M240/M2. What I am saying is that you should go test drive a M240/M2 and a CTR, then decide whether you should pay ADM for the CTR. Don't buy the car just from what you read on the internet.

gtolio · Sep 13, 2017

Honda Marketing said:
First, I am a Honda (Acura) fan. I love Honda and have been driving Honda almost my entire life (Civic, Prelude, accord, Acura TL-TypeS, NSX). I would have purchased the CTR if dealers near me are willing to sell it to me at MSRP. All the dealers around my area wanted MSRP plus $11K of accessories so out the door would be around $50K. So I started searching for other fun sports car at this price range and the M240i showed up on almost every search.

I have never owned a BMW and never had any intention of owning one due to high maintenance costs. But I went to test drive the M240i anyway just out of curiosity. I am not a BMW fan and have never driven one until last month. But it was much more fun driving the 335HP rear wheel M240i than the CTR on public winding roads within legal limit. And I can buy one at $47K out the door, $3K less than the CTR with ADM.

Then I test drove the M2 and it got me at first hello. The exhaust noise is intoxicating. The acceleration and handling is 1 class above the M240i. The M2 gave me a smile every time I stepped on the gas paddle. I must have this car in this life time before I die and I bought it for MSRP ($55K + tax). It came with 4 years / 50K miles warranty and 3 years free maintenance. The only 2 items not covered are the break pads and tires. If I plan to keep my M2 beyond 4 years than I would buy extended warranty before it expired.

I am not saying you should buy the M240/M2. What I am saying is that you should go test drive a M240/M2 and a CTR, then decide whether you should pay ADM for the CTR. Don't buy the car just from what you read on the internet.

I understand what you're saying, and you don't have to defend your Honda love to me, or anyone else for that matter.

I just think that you're comparing two very different cars, one more than $20k over the other. With a little patience or work (pick one) a CTR can be had for MSRP. That's more of a gap than you're making it out to be. It's an Accord Sport sized gap, and most CTR buyers aren't going to be cross shopping those the way you are, at least new.

I also think that at $55k, the market for great cars widens significantly. Now you're into used 911, Cayman S, Lotus Exige S, etc.

boosted180sx · Sep 13, 2017

even if you paid 7k mark up on the CTR (which is possible by now) and buy a M2 at MSRP, that's still like a $13k otd difference in price. That's a pretty big chunk of change imo.

i also don't believe people who is looking at a CTR would be cross shopping it with a M240i.

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