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Anyone care to take a guess? Mine is $400 increase over current prices.
They added too much amenities and upgraded that interior too much for there not to be an increase I think.
That might be the minimum price increase but it has to be more for the Touring. There's way too much content added to it for just a 400 buck increase.
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But the 2016 Civic will weigh 400 pounds less than the 2016 Accord. Plus the 1.5 turbo will have much more low-end torque than the 2.4 NA.

Could be proven wrong, but for now I'm sticking with my guess that the 2016 Civic 1.5T is going to be fast for its class—even with the CVT. If you put this car is Sport mode, turn off the traction control, and floor it completely, I think you'll get to 60 in less than 7 seconds.

But we'll see in about a month when the magazines are able to give us some times.
 

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Power to weight ratio....

2016 Civic EX-T will weigh c. 2900 lbs/174 horses with the turbo =16.7 pounds of car per horse
2016 Accord EX weighs 3336 / 185 horses = 18.0 pounds per horse

Plus, as mentioned, the low-end torque on the turbo is going to be impressive when you floor it. You're not going to build power slowly as revs build, like a traditional V-Tech. With the Civic turbo you're going to go like a bat out of hell after the first fraction of a second.

In other words, I stand by my guess that the 2016 Civic Turbo will be faster than the Accord 4 CVT.
 
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My guess is, no. If the sedan is the only thing on sale, that will be the only pricing revealed.
Or they could choose to release pricing when they reveal the coupe. I'm sure we won't hear anything about the Si for quite a while.

I agree, the upper trims are going to see a good hike and I wouldn't be surprised to be able to hit $28k with a fully-loaded Touring. It (the sedan) has definitely been taken up-market. It felt like a Mazda3 challenger instead of a Corolla fighter.
If I remember correctly the Corolla is not due for a refresh for a few years yet. If Honda can keep the base Civic pricing within $500 and offer an interior of the same quality without all the tech goodies, it will put a big dent in Corolla sales. Trying to be as objective as possible I can't see why anyone would choose the current Corolla exterior or interior over the new Civic. The only thing it's got is the price advantage.
 

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Or they could choose to release pricing when they reveal the coupe. I'm sure we won't hear anything about the Si for quite a while.



If I remember correctly the Corolla is not due for a refresh for a few years yet. If Honda can keep the base Civic pricing within $500 and offer an interior of the same quality without all the tech goodies, it will put a big dent in Corolla sales. Trying to be as objective as possible I can't see why anyone would choose the current Corolla exterior or interior over the new Civic. The only thing it's got is the price advantage.
Besides the style and power which are really up to individual buyer, the biggest sell over the corolla will be the better gas mileage. Toyota has gotten away with using a 15 year old engine in the corolla that has finally hit its limit in how economical it can be without heavier revisions. When you see 40+mpg on the civic compared to 37 on the corolla that'll be a huge selling point to draw people in. What will seal the deal is the interior quality and tech features that are available.

I figure the LX sedan will remain within $500 of the current car. EX about the same as well. Prices won't start jumping more until you hit the EX-T which has the CVT and turbo tacked into price, so at least $1200 over the regular EX if not a bit more. Then you figure another $1000-1200 on the EXL and another jump up to the touring. But for anyone looking within a corolla budget the LX and EX civics should meet and exceed their wants and needs in a car even if the civic has more soul than the corolla.
 


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I'm betting on a $32k to $35k MSRP for the highest model with all available packages. And a November 22nd arrival on dealer lots.
 

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I'm betting on a $32k to $35k MSRP for the highest model with all available packages. And a November 22nd arrival on dealer lots.
Well, 35k is the msrp for an Accord Touring.

Currently the top of the line 2015 Civic EXL Navi lists for $25,160 with destination.

The 2016 Civic Touring will, of course, have the turbo, plus Honda Sensing, plus heated rear seats, etc. etc. Still, there's no way imho Honda is going to crack $30k msrp for a Civic Touring.

I'm guessing $29k flat with destination will be the going rate. And at that price it'll be a very good car for the money....
 

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The TLX 4 cylinder weighs c. 3500 lbs.

The 2015 Civic LX CVT weighs c.2800 lbs, and I think the 2016 LX CVT will weigh about the same.

700 can make a big difference.

I think the 1.5 Turbo is going to be faster to 60 than the TLX or the Accord because of the torque and the weight difference. We'll see.

My guess is that the 1.5 Turbo Civic is going to break 7 seconds.

My guess is that the 2.0 Si Civic is going to break 6 seconds.

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Well currently the Civics are about 2800 pounds, and ideally the base model genX LX will weigh the same. But to be saying the 1.5T will be faster means you'll need to compare the EX-T Civic to the 8DCT TLX. That Civic we don't know the curb weight. Also the 8DCT will make better use of the TLX's power than the CVT will.

Even if the Civic were equal to the TLX, the 1.5T should have a much stronger feeling engine and will probably drive better
 

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Well, 35k is the msrp for an Accord Touring.

Currently the top of the line 2015 Civic EXL Navi lists for $25,160 with destination.

The 2016 Civic Touring will, of course, have the turbo, plus Honda Sensing, plus heated rear seats, etc. etc. Still, there's no way imho Honda is going to crack $30k msrp for a Civic Touring.

I'm guessing $29k flat with destination will be the going rate. And at that price it'll be a very good car for the money....
I hope you're right. I just have a sinking feeling about pricing for 2016 models for some reason. Seems like we're overdue for some excessive price creep.
 

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I hope you're right. I just have a sinking feeling about pricing for 2016 models for some reason. Seems like we're overdue for some excessive price creep.
I don't see why. The Mazda3 isn't that far off from the civic in pricing now and it's probably got comparable interior quality, plus the better driving dynamics and engines over the current civic. It's not impossible to create a good car and have it still be affordable. I figure look to the Mazda3 for a good guess at pricing on the next civic as it offers alot of the same features and basic trim structure. It starts lower than what the civic will, but the top of the line touring model is priced below 25k and has alot of the same features as the new civic. And mazda doesn't sell nearly the volume honda does, so you have to figure honda's manufacturing prices are lower. And besides, honda's whole thing has been going back to basics. Fun to drive, fuel efficient and affordable value. They aren't going to alienate their core buyers by overpricing the car. I figure no more than 28k for a fully loaded Touring. LX starting just below 19k.

For fun lets assume $800 premium for the Turbo and $800 premium for the CVT over the manual and $1000 for sensing. About $1000 premium between trims. Some creative and vague math....

LX Manual $19,000
LX CVT $19,800
EX CVT $21,800
EX-T $22,800
EXL $23,800
EXL Nav $25,000
Touring $26,500

I left out the sensing as that's optional equipment (except touring which i added it into). Based roughly on a slight increase across the lineup with the $800 for the CVT and $800 for the turbo the prices go up, but really no reason this car should go much above 26k as the current EXL Nav is listed online at 24,340. Remember, the new global platform helps to cut cost as well, so they add more features and keep prices down. And it'd make no sense to be cutting into upper trim accord territory. Basically you can have a fully loaded Touring civic for the price of an EX accord sedan with sensing.
 


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Robb: Overall, I like your math, but you've left off destination.

The 2015 Civic manual actually already lists for $19,310. I think that model will get a bump of c. $500, keeping it just under 20k.

In other words, adding c. 1000 to all of your figures might be closer to the mark imho.

But by January, when the factories are making about 30,000 Civics a month for the US, I think discounts of c. 1500 off of msrp might be possible...
 

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Robb: Overall, I like your math, but you've left off destination.

The 2015 Civic manual actually already lists for $19,310. I think that model will get a bump of c. $500, keeping it just under 20k.

In other words, adding c. 1000 to all of your figures might be closer to the mark imho.

But by January, when the factories are making 30,000 Civics a month for the US, I think discounts of c. 1500 off of msrp might be possible...
I never take destination into account. i was going for listed price before destination/tax/dealer fees, like how they have them priced on the website. Because most of the time i tell them to cram their destination fee when i get a car. I don't need to pay for them to ship the car to the dealer, and they usually will take it off, or an equal amount off in some other way.
 

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Civic pricing should remain near that of the current model, Mendel says.

“This time our goal was to create one Civic platform that underpins every model sold globally,” he says, later telling media Honda saved “a lot” of money with the strategy.

http://wardsauto.com/auto-makers/honda-benchmarks-germans-10th-gen-civic-sedan?page=1
This is very good news.

But it might be that what he means is that prices should remain the same for models with the same levels of equipment and features. And so 2016 LX would only get a small increase, because the equipment is similar to the 2015 LX.

But at the EX level, the 2016 Civic will have CarPlay/AndroidAuto, which isn't found on the 2015 Civic EX. And so for that model we might be looking at a more substantial increase, but still maybe only $600 or so?

As most of you know, Honda just came out with a substantial refresh of the Accord. For the 2016 Accord EX they added CarPlay, Remote start, new wheels, upgraded suspension and body, improved steering and transmission, LED running lights, fogs, and tail lights, etc, etc. Just for kicks, I added up how much I would pay for all of these things compared to the 2015 EX Accord, and I came up with c. $2000. But the actual price increase is only $450 for this model.

In other words, it seems like Honda is being aggressive on pricing, giving very good "bang for the buck" at each model level. I think they'll do that with Civic X as well, which is good for us!
 

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Definitely an encouraging comment about pricing.

I take it to mean the base Civic will remain near the current pricing, but suspect you are right that the upper trims will see a more substantial increase due to all the new equipment. All the extra features in the upper trims really should mean that we get them cheaper than if you were to add each of them individually. Otherwise I see no point in adding more "standard" features.
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