What's your purchase price?

JYR · Feb 18, 2017

Honda has stated a few different and confusing talking points since the beginning talks of the R regarding pricing. I have sorta adapted my thoughts while watching the market and the other Civic trim levels that Honda has rolled out.

In this video from October, Sage mentions it will be priced with vehicles that are around its performance level, which realistically is yet to be determined. We know that the R is a 'Ring fighter but does that add thousands of dollar in value?

Will the Si be targeting the lower HP/greater chassis emphasis cars like the Miata, Brz, and the GTI and the R targeting the WRX/ST crowd? Or are they shooting for the STI, Golf R, Focus RS crowd with the CTR? I think the R will fall a little short in the RS/STI/GolfR segment but put a hurting on the WRX/ST market.

Considering price points of other Civics, the Sport Civic starts at $21k which is a fairly basic car with a 1.5t and a manual gear box. I expect that the Si will add to that with the better tuned 1.5t, adaptive suspension, more appropriate gear box, sportier seats, and trigger the $25k mark as it has in the past. Adding aero, suspension, 2.0, Brembo's and Recaro's I'd like to see the price of the R start in the $33k range.

$40k can buy a lot more car than I believe the the R will offer.

Zoom ahead to the 10min mark to get some info on the pricing:

HondaFan2017 · Feb 20, 2017

JYR said:
Honda has stated a few different and confusing talking points since the beginning talks of the R regarding pricing. I have sorta adapted my thoughts while watching the market and the other Civic trim levels that Honda has rolled out.

In this video from October, Sage mentions it will be priced with vehicles that are around its performance level, which realistically is yet to be determined. We know that the R is a 'Ring fighter but does that add thousands of dollar in value?

Will the Si be targeting the lower HP/greater chassis emphasis cars like the Miata, Brz, and the GTI and the R targeting the WRX/ST crowd? Or are they shooting for the STI, Golf R, Focus RS crowd with the CTR? I think the R will fall a little short in the RS/STI/GolfR segment but put a hurting on the WRX/ST market.

Considering price points of other Civics, the Sport Civic starts at $21k which is a fairly basic car with a 1.5t and a manual gear box. I expect that the Si will add to that with the better tuned 1.5t, adaptive suspension, more appropriate gear box, sportier seats, and trigger the $25k mark as it has in the past. Adding aero, suspension, 2.0, Brembo's and Recaro's I'd like to see the price of the R start in the $33k range.

$40k can buy a lot more car than I believe the the R will offer.

Zoom ahead to the 10min mark to get some info on the pricing:

Given that the Euro Type R FK2 the start price was about 33k EUR (roughly same in USD), GT almost 35k, this one will be at least as expensive. I guess 2-3k at least. Also for me reaching 40k mark then you have other options. At least in Europe we'll have new Seat Leon Cupra, Focus ST, Megane RS, Renault Alpine, 718 Cayman (ok a bit more but with high residual values it gives nice lease rates), Mustang Eco/GT. Not to mention that for 40k you enter on Merc/Audi/Bmw and you can get a decent config with a nice discount. There's plenty of fish in the pond. The current gen Type R FK2 are sitting still in the dealership (2 pieces). See also on Autoscout dealers having low mileage ones for sale. For some reason they did not get out of stock on Type R FK2.

JYR · Feb 21, 2017

It has been stated (in April of 2015) by none other than the head of Honda that the British Pound will determine the price of the car for the global market. That said, I would expect Honda to play with currency a bit to keep the car within the market values.

Using your reference:
33k EUR is 28k British Pound.
28k BP to USD is $35k

Looking at the cost of the other cars, I expect the R to start around $33k range. Could be $30k, could be $35k.

As you've mentioned, $40k puts the R into an entire new segment, which the R will not play well with.

alphaghost · Feb 21, 2017

JYR said:
It has been stated (in April of 2015) by none other than the head of Honda that the British Pound will determine the price of the car for the global market. That said, I would expect Honda to play with currency a bit to keep the car within the market values.

Using your reference:
33k EUR is 28k British Pound.
28k BP to USD is $35k

Looking at the cost of the other cars, I expect the R to start around $33k range. Could be $30k, could be $35k.

As you've mentioned, $40k puts the R into an entire new segment, which the R will not play well with.

I believe 33k is the sweet spot, I would go 35k max and wait it out if they are 40k. As mentioned already 40k puts it in competition with stiff competition, especially in the used market. I looked at mustang gt and camaro ss, problem is the back seat is tight. I have a dd already, but I don't want to come home 1st all the time to drop off a car and have to pick the kids up. At 40k a used Audi s4 or 2nd gen cts v is a possibility. A Lexus IS F can be found as well in that range.

NorthernEX-T · Feb 21, 2017

Decisions decisions.. for 50k CAD there are a few interesting options...

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/windsor-area-on/2010-ford-mustang-gt-500-shelby-cobra/1235919519 @planedoc

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...us/1238750982?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true @Design what do you think of these?

thaseint · Feb 21, 2017

alphaghost said:
At 40k a used Audi s4 or 2nd gen cts v is a possibility. A Lexus IS F can be found as well in that range.

Thing that kind of sucks though is you're getting into the used performance car market which can be a little worrisome for some people. Especially in the >$20k price range.

Dealing with people that have ragged on the car, performed modifications or had modifications but removed them prior to selling. Even with service records there's no way to tell how much a person beat on a car or had/has done questionable modifications. Ultimately there's no way to tell how the person treated the car when they were behind the wheel. Car can sound great, mileage can be low and everything may look good on paper but if the person was redlining the thing 24/7 or doing burn outs at every stop light...no real way to find that out.

If my max budget was set to $40k on a performance car it's not going to be a used one, definitely wouldn't be a CTR, German or American. Most likely a STI.

Phosky · Feb 21, 2017

$40K is roughly $10K more expensive than the current CTR. Where did you hear the 10th gen will jump *that* much?

HondaFan2017 · Feb 21, 2017

JYR said:
It has been stated (in April of 2015) by none other than the head of Honda that the British Pound will determine the price of the car for the global market. That said, I would expect Honda to play with currency a bit to keep the car within the market values.

Using your reference:
33k EUR is 28k British Pound.
28k BP to USD is $35k

Looking at the cost of the other cars, I expect the R to start around $33k range. Could be $30k, could be $35k.

As you've mentioned, $40k puts the R into an entire new segment, which the R will not play well with.

I'd be inclined to believe there will be an increase in price from previous generation. Almost all manufacturers do it. Even so for $35k it must perform nice to get bought. As I said here in Europe you can still find unsold Type R FK2 still on showrooms. Plus barely used on Autoscout24.com /Mobile.de . For some reasons they were not outsold.

alphaghost said:
I believe 33k is the sweet spot, I would go 35k max and wait it out if they are 40k. As mentioned already 40k puts it in competition with stiff competition, especially in the used market. I looked at mustang gt and camaro ss, problem is the back seat is tight. I have a dd already, but I don't want to come home 1st all the time to drop off a car and have to pick the kids up. At 40k a used Audi s4 or 2nd gen cts v is a possibility. A Lexus IS F can be found as well in that range.

Max $35k also for me.

thaseint said:
Thing that kind of sucks though is you're getting into the used performance car market which can be a little worrisome for some people. Especially in the >$20k price range.

Dealing with people that have ragged on the car, performed modifications or had modifications but removed them prior to selling. Even with service records there's no way to tell how much a person beat on a car or had/has done questionable modifications. Ultimately there's no way to tell how the person treated the car when they were behind the wheel. Car can sound great, mileage can be low and everything may look good on paper but if the person was redlining the thing 24/7 or doing burn outs at every stop light...no real way to find that out.

If my max budget was set to $40k on a performance car it's not going to be a used one, definitely wouldn't be a CTR, German or American. Most likely a STI.

Phosky said:
$40K is roughly $10K more expensive than the current CTR. Where did you hear the 10th gen will jump *that* much?

True, risky to venture in this high perf used car market. Maybe certified pre-owned cars and some 1-2 years warranty would mitigate this.
According to JYR the current Type R FK2 (base model) is $35k. The GT(with some gadgets on it) is like 2k more, that's $37k already. If they bump up the prices as usual practice for new models you get really close to $40k.
Btw if you want to see the Type R FK2 catalog/price list, I have it (in French - doesn't matter equipment does not need much of a translation)

JYR · Feb 21, 2017

HondaFan2017 said:
According to JYR the current Type R FK2 (base model) is $35k. The GT(with some gadgets on it) is like 2k more, that's $37k already. If they bump up the prices as usual practice for new models you get really close to $40k.

Actually, that isn't what I said. This is what I said and actually agree with you.

JYR said:
It has been stated (in April of 2015) by none other than the head of Honda that the British Pound will determine the price of the car for the global market. That said, I would expect Honda to play with currency a bit to keep the car within the market values.

Using your reference:
33k EUR is 28k British Pound.
28k BP to USD is $35k

Looking at the cost of the other cars, I expect the R to start around $33k range. Could be $30k, could be $35k.

As you've mentioned, $40k puts the R into an entire new segment, which the R will not play well with.

I think I also mentioned that the pricing has been rather confusing from Honda.

That said, Honda mentioned that the R will be based on the British Pound. You, @HondaFan2017 said that the R is $33k EUR currently. I mentioned that $33k Euro is 28k BP. 28k BP is $35k USD which is very close to what the census of $33k seems to be.

Another words, we aren't far off and essentially agree.

What I don't agree on is the rise in cost from year to year. While this is very true from the US "Big 3", Honda has stayed fairly stagnate, at least in America over the past several years. To put my reason in perspective, the 1999 Si had a sticker for ~$17,500 and in 2007, the Si sticker was around $21k. Thats a $4,500 difference in 8 years. -research pulled from autoblog.com

asiandeity · Feb 21, 2017

Current Type R starts at 30,000 BP. 30,000 BP = 37,389 USD - 20% VAT = $29,911.20 USD. The 10th Gen Type R's price will slightly increase so I'm guessing $32-33K plus destination.

bobafettm · Feb 21, 2017

If mid-30s is the case then this is a great deal for a car of its type.

Wabby · Feb 22, 2017

asiandeity said:
Current Type R starts at 30,000 BP. 30,000 BP = 37,389 USD - 20% VAT = $29,911.20 USD. The 10th Gen Type R's price will slightly increase so I'm guessing $32-33K plus destination.

Wish we had the same prices in Norway, I have put 71.500$ aside for this car....

Evo · Feb 22, 2017

Wabby said:
Wish we had the same prices in Norway, I have put 71.500$ aside for this car....

So it's buy one get one free?

A2typeR · Feb 22, 2017

@Wabby
Do you have any to set aside for a poor American counterpart???

:wave:

Wabby · Feb 22, 2017

A2typeR said:
@Wabby
Do you have any to set aside for a poor American counterpart???

Sorry bud, not possible with the taxes we got here. :-/

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