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No way would the Si get active torque vectoring. A mechanical LSD is fine for what the Si is about. Maybe the CTR.....
Agreed. The Civic definitely moved upmarket in terms of quality and performance but not THAT much upmarket where it'd get torque vectoring... my opinion of course. It's appearing on more and more performance cars but those are still rather premium cars that feature it.

Mechanical LSD would serve the Si just fine and that's what I'm guessing it gets.
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You would feel a lot better in any of the 9th or 10th generation si. First off the transmission n the synchros are a lot better and feel like they arnt even there in the newer civic si's compared to the 98 prelude the kick of the VTEC and the electronic power steering is a change and I like it a lot better to be honest. My advise is to get outta your old prelude and get into a new si now
 
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Haha thanks for the reply! I guess it comes down to what we are each looking for! I enjoy blipping the throttle on downshifts to rev match and I don't want the trans to do that for me. ....but my big concern is the steering. In the Prelude I can yank the wheel hard for an instant lane change and it straightens itself out which feels stable and safe. Recent Hondas I've driven have light steering that does NOT straighten out on its own and that would be a dealbreaker. Does the recent si steering wheel center itself after a sharp yank for a quick lane change?
 

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Here's what I would love to see in the 10th Gen Si

  1. Manual Transmission: come on! Honda makes the best manuals in the world.
  2. Black Seats: I agree with pretty much everyone else. Give me black seats with red Si letters, only with cloth. No leather seats. Also, would love a Recaro seat option ( I know. Just freaking here, since I had three cars in the past with Recaro seats).
  3. Remote Start: not going to happen, since I want a manual, but I would take a remote start over heated seats, since the OEM remote start automatically sets the climate control to 72 degrees.
  4. Premium Audio: not so much how high the watts are, but the quality of sound. If we could sneak in ELS Audio, I would even be fine with 300 watts only.
  5. 250HP Max: I don't want Type R power, or else I would get a Type R. Anything from 220-250HP is more than enough, since I have no plans to take this car to the track. And since it will probably be turbo, give me the 2.0 engine. Yet in a perfect world it would be the last 260HP K22 from the Mugen RR. The last few models had a K22 over the K20.
  6. Honda Sensing: I want this, if at all, for the Adaptive Cruise Control. 90% of my driving is done with the cruise control on, which makes ACC a huge amenity for me. Also, being a father of two, I want all the safety features available, since you cannot control the other drivers on the road. At the end of the day, Honda Sensing is not a need for me, but a want. Not a deal breaker.
  7. LSD: a must!
  8. LaneWatch
  9. LED Lights: would be nice, and yet why do I like the interior design of the projector lights more?
  10. Unique Red Gauge Cluster
  11. Black Headliner: a biiiigggg muuuuusssssttt!!!!!!
  12. Concept Car Wing: would be nice
  13. Rear Diffuser: a big want!!
  14. Visible Exhaust: a big want!!
  15. Aluminum Pedals
  16. Apple CarPlay
  17. Black Grill: would really love this over the chrome
Im sure I can think of more, but this will suffice for now.
 


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Ideally, my '16 Civic Coupe Si will feature:
  • Sensing - not only don`t I need it, the camera blocks out a big chunk of windshield (at least on the 2015 Accord Coupe!)
This might be a stupid question, but I haven't bought a new car in a long time, heh. But how does the camera block a big chunk of the windshield? Are you talking about the camera on the side mirror? And if so, how does it affect the windshield? I haven't owned a car with a camera.
 

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Here's what I would love to see in the 10th Gen Si

  1. Manual Transmission: come on! Honda makes the best manuals in the world.
  2. Black Seats: I agree with pretty much everyone else. Give me black seats with red Si letters, only with cloth. No leather seats. Also, would love a Recaro seat option ( I know. Just freaking here, since I had three cars in the past with Recaro seats).
  3. Remote Start: not going to happen, since I want a manual, but I would take a remote start over heated seats, since the OEM remote start automatically sets the climate control to 72 degrees.
  4. Premium Audio: not so much how high the watts are, but the quality of sound. If we could sneak in ELS Audio, I would even be fine with 300 watts only.
  5. 250HP Max: I don't want Type R power, or else I would get a Type R. Anything from 220-250HP is more than enough, since I have no plans to take this car to the track. And since it will probably be turbo, give me the 2.0 engine. Yet in a perfect world it would be the last 260HP K22 from the Mugen RR. The last few models had a K22 over the K20.
  6. Honda Sensing: I want this, if at all, for the Adaptive Cruise Control. 90% of my driving is done with the cruise control on, which makes ACC a huge amenity for me. Also, being a father of two, I want all the safety features available, since you cannot control the other drivers on the road. At the end of the day, Honda Sensing is not a need for me, but a want. Not a deal breaker.
  7. LSD: a must!
  8. LaneWatch
  9. LED Lights: would be nice, and yet why do I like the interior design of the projector lights more?
  10. Unique Red Gauge Cluster
  11. Black Headliner: a biiiigggg muuuuusssssttt!!!!!!
  12. Concept Car Wing: would be nice
  13. Rear Diffuser: a big want!!
  14. Visible Exhaust: a big want!!
  15. Aluminum Pedals
  16. Apple CarPlay
  17. Black Grill: would really love this over the chrome
Im sure I can think of more, but this will suffice for now.
Wouldn't it be hard to incorporate ACC and lane watch on a manual transmission? Is that even possible?
 

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Haha thanks for the reply! I guess it comes down to what we are each looking for! I enjoy blipping the throttle on downshifts to rev match and I don't want the trans to do that for me. ....but my big concern is the steering. In the Prelude I can yank the wheel hard for an instant lane change and it straightens itself out which feels stable and safe. Recent Hondas I've driven have light steering that does NOT straighten out on its own and that would be a dealbreaker. Does the recent si steering wheel center itself after a sharp yank for a quick lane change?
As a fellow Prelude fan, I can tell you the Prelude is GONE. Actually, no offense, the 5th Gen was the most diluted representation of the old Prelude. The 3rd Gen was the best "Prelude". The feel of the Prelude is defined by lightness, body remaining flat in quick turns, low belt line (dash and windows are low so you have big visibility) low seating position (gives a go-kart like feel) and like you said great transitional response. Most of these attributes are not manufactured in a car anymore. Obviously newer cars perform better than a Prelude, but the "feel" isn't the same.
Now, the "blipping" throttle thing probably won't happen on a new Honda. Almost ALL new cars have "rev hang" coded into the ECU. Rev hang is a necessity to prevent unburned hydrocarbons from being spewed out the exhaust on sudden unloaded rev-down. It's a fact of life on almost all modern manual cars.
Now, looking at the CivicX coupe, I do see a few attributes that match the old Prelude design philosphy. The coupe is kinda low and wide, and it is relatively light. But the rear visibility will probably be compromised, although the side windows and windshield seem to be good. We'll have to wait for test drives to occur to find out how the coupe or Si drive. The whole reason I have been attracted to CivicX is that it reminds me of old Honda, the kind of Honda that built my favorite Honda, the Prelude. Time will tell.
 

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Wouldn't it be hard to incorporate ACC and lane watch on a manual transmission? Is that even possible?
Not hard at all, since you can use cruise control with any Honda manual. It's all electronically controlled. You just need the added sensors.

In the 9th gen Si, I have the cruise control on and shift to a lower gear, it still stays on at the speed you have set.
 


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The problem is, ACC can change the speed enough to require gear changes. If you need to babysit ACC and change gears yourself, what's the point of ACC? Hence, Honda won't offer it on manuals.
 

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Haha thanks for the reply! I guess it comes down to what we are each looking for! I enjoy blipping the throttle on downshifts to rev match and I don't want the trans to do that for me. ....but my big concern is the steering. In the Prelude I can yank the wheel hard for an instant lane change and it straightens itself out which feels stable and safe. Recent Hondas I've driven have light steering that does NOT straighten out on its own and that would be a dealbreaker. Does the recent si steering wheel center itself after a sharp yank for a quick lane change?
That self centering effect you feel in older cars steering is the hydraulic steering rack at work. Hydraulic steering is connected mechanically to the wheels/tired but modern day electric power steering (EPS) racks aren't. That's the short of it. Here's a geek out physics explanation:

With traditional manual or power-assisted steering (hydraulic steering) the wheel is mechanically connected to the tires. The tires are rotating quickly and so have gyroscopic inertia.

When you are coming out of a turn the inertia of the tires will want them to keep spinning in the direction you last held the wheel, which is why the vehicle "self-centers" as it comes out of a turn.

With EPS the tires are not directly connected to the steering wheel so you will not experience as much of the gyroscopic effect. So wheels will not "self-center" in the same way. This is also what causes the perceived lack of roadfeel in electronic steering. That gyroscopic inertia is what causes steering resistance on traditional cars as you go around a curve.

I wish all cars stayed hydraulic steering because of the better centering, connected feeling, and road feel it gives you, but manufacturers want to squeeze every bit of MPG from cars so they're all going EPS :(
 

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That self centering effect you feel in older cars steering is the hydraulic steering rack at work. Hydraulic steering is connected mechanically to the wheels/tired but modern day electric power steering (EPS) racks aren't. That's the short of it. Here's a geek out physics explanation:

With traditional manual or power-assisted steering (hydraulic steering) the wheel is mechanically connected to the tires. The tires are rotating quickly and so have gyroscopic inertia.

When you are coming out of a turn the inertia of the tires will want them to keep spinning in the direction you last held the wheel, which is why the vehicle "self-centers" as it comes out of a turn.

With EPS the tires are not directly connected to the steering wheel so you will not experience as much of the gyroscopic effect. So wheels will not "self-center" in the same way. This is also what causes the perceived lack of roadfeel in electronic steering. That gyroscopic inertia is what causes steering resistance on traditional cars as you go around a curve.

I wish all cars stayed hydraulic steering because of the better centering, connected feeling, and road feel it gives you, but manufacturers want to squeeze every bit of MPG from cars so they're all going EPS :(
Not totally true. The amount of caster that is dialed in on front suspension geometry is what determines the effect of "self centering". Think about shopping cart wheels, how they always snap back to direction of travel. It's because they have exaggerated caster.

Too much caster, car feels reluctant to turn.
Too little caster, car feels darty and twitchy.
Just enough caster, Prelude.
 

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The problem is, ACC can change the speed enough to require gear changes. If you need to babysit ACC and change gears yourself, what's the point of ACC? Hence, Honda won't offer it on manuals.
If you drive mainly highway, like I do, where the speed can fluctuate between 55-70mph, its an add benefit to have ACC. You dont need to shift down a gear at those speeds.

I agree that Honda probably won't offer it on the manual (just like that K22 engine), but since this is a list of what each of us would love to have, I included it in mine.
 

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If you drive mainly highway, like I do, where the speed can fluctuate between 55-70mph, its an add benefit to have ACC. You dont need to shift down a gear at those speeds.

I agree that Honda probably won't offer it on the manual (just like that K22 engine), but since this is a list of what each of us would love to have, I included it in mine.
They COULD offer it with a limited effect, such as it would disengage under or over a certain RPM. Still though, the driver would be so involved, what's the point? But, they may anyway, people don't realize how cheap it is to put all of this tech into a car. Most of the cost is development and software, hardware is cheap these days.
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