2017 Civic Sedan vs Hatch

Why do hatchbacks need rear wipers and sedans don't? I personally don't like the look of rear wipers.

CEXT said:

Why do hatchbacks need rear wipers and sedans don't? I personally don't like the look of rear wipers.

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Water gets thrown up from the rear tires and onto the car. On a sedan, the rear window is far enough from the spray but on a hatch, it isn't, hence the need for a wiper.

Tony503 said:

Water gets thrown up from the rear tires and onto the car. On a sedan, the rear window is far enough from the spray but on a hatch, it isn't, hence the need for a wiper.

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That does happen, but the bigger factor is that a sedan has airflow that brings beads of water and drifts of snow to the rear of the trunk lip while in a flat backed hatch it just gathers there on the back window and blocks the view. That is the visible result of poor aerodynamics, the invisible result is that the Civic Hatch loses 2 mpg to the sedan.

One of the main reasons I got the hatch over the sedan/coupe was that it came with the 1.5L Turbo on the lowest trim (Hatch LX vs having to buy the EX-T for 2000$ more), and had all the features I cared about already. In addition having to carry camping and hiking gear inside the hatch is much easier than the sedan. Since I'm a fairly young guy, the styling on the hatchback also won me over compared to the Sedan

P.S. What worried me about the higher trim Hatchback models is that they require premium fuel (not sure why for 6 more HP) as opposed to be able to use base grade for the LX.

jackquelegs said:

One of the main reasons I got the hatch over the sedan/coupe was that it came with the 1.5L Turbo on the lowest trim (Hatch LX vs having to buy the EX-T for 2000$ more), and had all the features I cared about already. In addition having to carry camping and hiking gear inside the hatch is much easier than the sedan. Since I'm a fairly young guy, the styling on the hatchback also won me over compared to the Sedan

P.S. What worried me about the higher trim Hatchback models is that they require premium fuel (not sure why for 6 more HP) as opposed to be able to use base grade for the LX.

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Only the sport and sport touring use the premium fuel and its only suggested, not required.

bsirk3 said:

Only the sport and sport touring use the premium fuel and its only suggested, not required.

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You're right it's only recommended.

So the extra 6hp is with premium or regular? That would be sad if it were 17X hp with regular and 180 hp with premium.

There has been no indicator or causality that indicates that using regular fuel on Sport/Sport Touring models returns the vehicle to the exact 174/162 output. Engine could be pulling timing like a whore and doing 150hp for all we know on that specific tune allocated to the Sport models if you use regular gas...

I don't get why it's sad... There's a tune for 91 octane and it makes a specific power output, put 87 and the engine pulls timing that lowers output... Did you expect Honda to keep the same power rating while running 87 despite recommending 91? Might as well just advertise saying regular required.... I know Mazda CX-9 does 250hp,310tq on 91 and 227hp and 310tq or 87...

There's a whole thread on this
http://www.civicx.com/threads/premi...r-in-turbo-models-confirmed-by-honda-rep.828/

6 hp is negligible. You will pay 15-20% more in fuel costs for a 3.4% increase in power. You won't feel that especially given the extra weight. So on top of no performance gain, you have to feed it premium fuel. On the other hand, Mazda puts the 2.0L skyactiv engine in the Mazda 3 and MX-5 Miata. It's rated with the same hp and torque (155hp), but only the Miata requires premium fuel. I guess thats worse.

jackquelegs said:

One of the main reasons I got the hatch over the sedan/coupe was that it came with the 1.5L Turbo on the lowest trim (Hatch LX vs having to buy the EX-T for 2000$ more), and had all the features I cared about already. In addition having to carry camping and hiking gear inside the hatch is much easier than the sedan. Since I'm a fairly young guy, the styling on the hatchback also won me over compared to the Sedan

P.S. What worried me about the higher trim Hatchback models is that they require premium fuel (not sure why for 6 more HP) as opposed to be able to use base grade for the LX.

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I loved the look of the '16 sedans when they came out, and the only other brand new car I had purchased previously was the '06 Civic, when they came out in Sept. 2005. But when I heard the hatchback was coming, I decided to wait and see if I'd like them. My last few cars have been SUVs, and I think, for me at least, deciding between an SUV or the hatch is a better comparison than the sedan vs. the hatch. The only thing I had to decide was whether I'd mind sitting lower in the vehicle. When I saw the EX-L hatch in person, I just loved it. Other than it being harder to get out of because it's lower, I haven't missed an SUV. I'm loving the 39 mpg avg. and it's way more fun to drive than an SUV, even V6 ones I've had.

No question the cargo area is bigger, more versatile and more accessible than the sedan, and you don't see what's stored in the back due to 2 covers that come with the hatch. I haven't hauled anything that interferes with rear visibility yet, and 98% of the time, no one will.

There's no wrong, or better choice, it's what you prefer and what meets your needs.

17Hatch said:

I loved the look of the '16 sedans when they came out, and the only other brand new car I had purchased previously was the '06 Civic, when they came out in Sept. 2005. But when I heard the hatchback was coming, I decided to wait and see if I'd like them. My last few cars have been SUVs, and I think, for me at least, deciding between an SUV or the hatch is a better comparison than the sedan vs. the hatch. The only thing I had to decide was whether I'd mind sitting lower in the vehicle. When I saw the EX-L hatch in person, I just loved it. Other than it being harder to get out of because it's lower, I haven't missed an SUV. I'm loving the 39 mpg avg. and it's way more fun to drive than an SUV, even V6 ones I've had.

No question the cargo area is bigger, more versatile and more accessible than the sedan, and you don't see what's stored in the back due to 2 covers that come with the hatch. I haven't hauled anything that interferes with rear visibility yet, and 98% of the time, no one will.

There's no wrong, or better choice, it's what you prefer and what meets your needs.

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My experience as well. Liked the sedan, test drove one, then heard rumors of the hatch. Glad we waited. Picked up our Sonic Gray EXL Friday afternoon. It's a perfect car for our needs, a blast to drive (compared to my Jeep Wrangler anyway), and I love the fuel economy and technology of the car. Is it perfect? I dunno - but I'm not as much of an "enthusiast" as others on this forum. It meets my needs. As they say in the car business, there's an ass for every seat .

EADGBE said:

My experience as well. Liked the sedan, test drove one, then heard rumors of the hatch. Glad we waited. Picked up our Sonic Gray EXL Friday afternoon. It's a perfect car for our needs, a blast to drive (compared to my Jeep Wrangler anyway), and I love the fuel economy and technology of the car. Is it perfect? I dunno - but I'm not as much of an "enthusiast" as others on this forum. It meets my needs. As they say in the car business, there's an ass for every seat .

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Congrats! The SGP is an awesome color. Post some pics.

17Hatch said:

I loved the look of the '16 sedans when they came out, and the only other brand new car I had purchased previously was the '06 Civic, when they came out in Sept. 2005. But when I heard the hatchback was coming, I decided to wait and see if I'd like them. My last few cars have been SUVs, and I think, for me at least, deciding between an SUV or the hatch is a better comparison than the sedan vs. the hatch. The only thing I had to decide was whether I'd mind sitting lower in the vehicle. When I saw the EX-L hatch in person, I just loved it. Other than it being harder to get out of because it's lower, I haven't missed an SUV. I'm loving the 39 mpg avg. and it's way more fun to drive than an SUV, even V6 ones I've had.

No question the cargo area is bigger, more versatile and more accessible than the sedan, and you don't see what's stored in the back due to 2 covers that come with the hatch. I haven't hauled anything that interferes with rear visibility yet, and 98% of the time, no one will.

There's no wrong, or better choice, it's what you prefer and what meets your needs.

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Completely agreed. The moment I threw my mountain bike in the back without a problem is the moment I knew I made the right choice. Although I really need to invest in mud covers for the trunk now.

EADGBE said:

My experience as well. Liked the sedan, test drove one, then heard rumors of the hatch. Glad we waited. Picked up our Sonic Gray EXL Friday afternoon. It's a perfect car for our needs, a blast to drive (compared to my Jeep Wrangler anyway), and I love the fuel economy and technology of the car. Is it perfect? I dunno - but I'm not as much of an "enthusiast" as others on this forum. It meets my needs. As they say in the car business, there's an ass for every seat .

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Nice post! I concur except for one thing: A new enthusiast has been born or Honda hatched a new fan with this hatch, as "they say". Like a new comic book release.

CEXT said:

Why do hatchbacks need rear wipers and sedans don't? I personally don't like the look of rear wipers.

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They gangsta to me. And the tails on the hatch look like 2 chopsticks being held at 90 degrees.

jackquelegs said:

Completely agreed. The moment I threw my mountain bike in the back without a problem is the moment I knew I made the right choice. Although I really need to invest in mud covers for the trunk now.

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I know, right! It's going to rain the day after tomorrow so I got 1 day to get it done. A tint too.