Why is there no Civic Hatchback / Civic Hatchback Sport section?

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The reason is, there are enough family vehicles on the road. The majority of people buying those types of cars aren't modding / racing / shows with their family car. No CTR or Si owner is going to mod down to a base car for fun. Plus there is no difference in any Civic less than an Si.

Three is a hierarchy in car culture, and base family cars are at the bottom of this list.
 

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Three is a hierarchy in car culture, and base family cars are at the bottom of this list.
In the performance sense, sure, you are right. Although the base turbo models in particular actually offer a surprisingly fun experience out of the box. Add a tune and some handling updates and they can be downright engaging.
 

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In the performance sense, sure, you are right. Although the base turbo models in particular actually offer a surprisingly fun experience out of the box. Add a tune and some handling updates and they can be downright engaging.
I'm just being a snob because I drive a Si Coupe and believe we should have our own sub!
 

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Cool, 20% of all Civics, assuming an even split between coupes, sedans, Si coupes and sedans, and Type R's, or whatever split you want, that's a large chunk of the segment. That still bolsters my point that the hatchbacks are pretty common.

These are some bold claims performance wise, considering that the Sport takes the same canned tunes as every other base turbo model. (also meaning that their ECU isn't unique, unless you want to get pedantic and point out that essentially every ECU is technically unique). And that comparison is a hatchback against the sedan and coupe, I'm talking about against the other hatchbacks, which again is essentially the same performance. And that difference is cool, on a track tested environment. It'd be great to denote in the track technical forum that's already in place (which isn't quite thriving unfortunately).

I don't drag race, by the way, I have a detailed build journal of my car set up for road racing posted on this forum. That's how I know that the hatchback isn't that special: every performance modification is the same as on the other body styles. Even the front knuckle sizing, like I mentioned, is only a sizing for the brackets as it doesn't play in how the shocks are valved.

As for as generic:

From your original listing:
Rear calipers
(2020) Rear Brake pads
CVT axles (Sport and LX are different from the others as well)
Manual Transmission axles
Front calipers
Front hubs
Front brake shield
Front brake pads
Some of the VSA Modulators-I did not check all of them
Front knuckles
Front sway bar
ABS sensors
Front upper shock mount
Front upper spring seat
Front bump stop
Front upper spring mount
Front springs
Front shocks
Front shock absorber plates
Rear trailing arms -until the 2019/20 4door/2door Sport/Tour
Rear ABS sensor /parking brake harness
Rear sway bar
Rear lower arm -until 2018 models- then shared with other 4 door EX and above models
Rear springs
Rear upper shock mount
Rear bump stop
Rear sleeve
Rear shocks
Power steering rack
Brake lines
Brake hoses rear
Brake hoses front
Brake booster
Brake master cylinder
Wheels
Gas tank



Aside from being wrong about the rear brake pads, the rest of the original list is a no brainer for any different chassis. Go ahead and dismiss this counterpoint as lazy, but digging out a parts list just because it's specifically denoted for a car doesn't separate it performance wise from the rest of the segment. Of course a different body style has different spring rates, just like how they all have different rigidity (which would be a great point to support you, but really it's only significant on the track and I'd wager 90% of the users here and consumers don't care or notice). It's like comparing boost pressure between our cars and a GTR; yes Civics can run up to ~29 psi tuned, but it's nothing against a 19.6 PSI GTR. The story here is that there's more than just reading a spec sheet; what does that difference actually mean?

Your second list is as absurd as it is generic. The front glass, fender liner, windshields are all specific to each chassis and I very doubtful that the hood is specific to any car outside of the Type R given the aftermarket. That's why I likened it to picking out different colours as different parts. If these parts truly make a significant difference (more than just measurable), then state why. It's likely that they're tailored to fit the car and nothing more.

The point is not to have you nitpick every bolt and nut you can find on a Honda parts site to support your proposition, it's to drive that the hatchback is not specialised enough to require a new forum. Or prove me wrong and show me some performance secrets I'm missing on this platform. I'd actually love that instead of regurgitating tidbits like a student cramming hours before an exam without digesting the material.

In case you haven't noticed by now, I own a hatchback as well ;) I'd always recommend the hatchback over any other body style only because of its practicality, nothing more because there's nothing really different over the other turbo sedans and coupes.
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