Why is there no Civic Hatchback / Civic Hatchback Sport section?

[saz468]

The Kia Koup was actually a kool kar. I wound up buying the SX sedan version (2.4 liter - 173 hp) and it was a really good car. But that Koup was sweet.

This was my 2014 Elantra coupe this pic was taken a few days after the 1500 mile trip from New York to Florida I didnt waste any time to get rid of the New York plates in December of 2014

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[Vexels]

The Kia Koup was actually a kool kar. I wound up buying the SX sedan version (2.4 liter - 173 hp) and it was a really good car. But that Koup was sweet.

Haha, it's crazy to think that that entire segment just dissapeared as of the present day. I remember reading an article from 2016 early in the Civic's life comparing it to these coupes, well, they're all gone now, and the Civic is still around. Crazy how long this generation is doing, and kudos to Honda

 

[Vexels]

very true all manufacturer s need to to this also add a Two door hatchback as well

I have a slight hope (unrealistic) that if Honda does decide to keep manufacturing a compact coupe in the CIvic's 11th generation, it'll be a 3-door liftback like the CRX and CR-Z. (The latter of which I feel had GREAT styling, but it being a hybrid really limited it)

Heck, if hybrid technology is better than how it was in the early 2010's, I wouldn't mind Honda trying again with the CR-Z "hybrid sports car" idea. Again, unlikely though

 

[Drake]

Love coupes, they are like the spice of life whenever I see them on the road

 

[Gruber]

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-a...d-civic-hatchback-accelerate-into-dealerships

Civic Hatchback
At 20 percent of all Civic sales, Civic Hatchback is a key player in the Civic lineup, which continues as the top-selling retail car in America this year2 -- a position it has held in each of the past two years. Civic Hatchback Sport, with its combination of eye-catching good looks and a dynamic driving feel, was named a 2017 AUTOMOBILE All-Star, a list dominated by sports cars and luxury marques. Civic Hatchback Sport, along with Civic Type R and Civic Si, also earned a coveted spot on the Car and Driver 10 Best list for 2018.

Sport has aero kit, it looks better. Exhaust looks better-it's not hidden in the corners. 18" wheels similar to Si-I liked the Sports darker tone. Changes cvt behavior, throttle response, and steering response. Sports do have their own ECU's. I do not have access to fuel or ignition maps to compare them- but if you can please post the data. Not every measure of performance is drag racing either. From Motortrend:
"Honda apparently didn't intended for the Sport moniker to denote quicker acceleration but rather better handling. In that department, the Hatchback Sport pulled 0.88 average g on the skidpad to the Sedan's 0.84 and lapped the figure eight in 27.1 seconds at 0.63 average g to the Sedan's 27.4 seconds at 0.64 average g. The Hatchback Sport also stopped 5 feet shorter, in just 115 feet." The Hatchback was noted as just under 100 pounds heavier too. It is indeed another level of Civic performance. So all of those "same" parts do actually add up to something different. And 5 feet shorter in braking could save someone's life.

I think brake pad size is the same, material looked a little bit different to my eyes.

I definitely did not chose color coded parts, intentionally. At this point, how many would I even have to list that are different? You are just moving the goal posts. Generic to the body style as you say?, I absolutely never picked any part of the rear body of the car, it was very intentional to stay away from the hatch area. You think all of those parts listed are generic to the body? What do you classify as "generic" then?

At this point, we have a few people vocally pushing against having a Hatchback section.
And like only me continuously speaking up for Hatchback people.
So do any Hatchback people want to speak up at this point?

I agree with your points regarding how the hatchback is different. It seems like more often than not, any part or accessory is hatch specific. I just bought a new master cylinder reservoir cap for my 2009 CRV. They use two part numbers in that year depending on the VIN. One is the same as used in todays civic sedans, the other is the same as used in today's civic hatchbacks. It's hard to tell them apart from the outside at least. And the rubber diaphragm seal under the cap is the same....... Of course my CRV unluckily uses the sedan cap. What's interesting, the master cylinder assembly for sedans seems to be priced much higher that the one in the hatchbacks. So maybe the sedans have a better master cylinder? This would be a shame.... No.... I"m sure it must be that the sedan owners are more naive and easier to gauge...

The Sport trims have some small, but real differences. I see people exaggerating in both directions some claiming the performance is "exactly the same". "Exactly" is a big word.

I do think that actually the bigger division is between the turbo or no turbo engines. What about the 1.0T engine? Still a different level and not firing on 4 cylinders... The 1.0T owners certainly wouldn't care about any performance issues or racing...

So they are all a little different but the question is: so what? If I chose to get a CTR I would still mostly hang out in the General forums except for some specific issues, for which just threads are good enough for me. So I'm still against any more separate sections.

 

[Vexels]

All this talk about the hatch sport makes me wish Honda invested a little more into the sport coupes and sedans, haha. It's mostly a "premium" package upgrade over LX with leather, touchscreen, etc.. but I would've liked to seen more... sporty bits. Only thing I know that were added the 18 inch wheels and a slightly thicker rear sway bar (which I already swapped out for a used Type R one, aha...)

Don't wanna hijack this thread to talk about coupes, so I'll leave it at that - OP, you should be proud to have a hatch, in the same way I'm proud to have a coupe, and everyone is proud to have what they have. There no need to validate that, it's all up to you...

 

[saz468]

I have a slight hope (unrealistic) that if Honda does decide to keep manufacturing a compact coupe in the CIvic's 11th generation, it'll be a 3-door liftback like the CRX and CR-Z. (The latter of which I feel had GREAT styling, but it being a hybrid really limited it)

Heck, if hybrid technology is better than how it was in the early 2010's, I wouldn't mind Honda trying again with the CR-Z "hybrid sports car" idea. Again, unlikely though

I wouldn’t mind a two door hatchback or lift back my 83 mustang, 86 escort, 91 escort GT and 2004 Tiburon GT were two door hatchbacks is long it’s a two door. It’s hard to see a two door pickup truck or two door Jeep wrangler these days

 

[FC1Dawn]

This is called the slippery slope logical fallacy. It shows that you have missed the point completely.

This is definitely not a slippery slope logical fallacy. That comment never accumulated small steps that lead to a chain of related events, which ended in some sort of negative conclusion. The "Missing The Point" fallacy is literally... just missing the point.

Anyways, enough philosophy. You have made some good points but as others have stated, these small differences aren't really that much of a justification to create a whole new section.

Speaking of a whole new section, if you were to get a Civic Hatchback / Sport section, I would assume you want to move all related posts to that section. That has the potential to take up a lot of time and resources. While it is certainly possible, it doesn't seem like administrators have seen the need to do so or seen enough interest in it. If that was the case, there would already have been its own section.

 

[NazTehRpR]

The Kia Koup was actually a kool kar. I wound up buying the SX sedan version (2.4 liter - 173 hp) and it was a really good car. But that Koup was sweet.

 

[bangminah]

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-a...d-civic-hatchback-accelerate-into-dealerships

Civic Hatchback
At 20 percent of all Civic sales, Civic Hatchback is a key player in the Civic lineup, which continues as the top-selling retail car in America this year2 -- a position it has held in each of the past two years. Civic Hatchback Sport, with its combination of eye-catching good looks and a dynamic driving feel, was named a 2017 AUTOMOBILE All-Star, a list dominated by sports cars and luxury marques. Civic Hatchback Sport, along with Civic Type R and Civic Si, also earned a coveted spot on the Car and Driver 10 Best list for 2018.

Sport has aero kit, it looks better. Exhaust looks better-it's not hidden in the corners. 18" wheels similar to Si-I liked the Sports darker tone. Changes cvt behavior, throttle response, and steering response. Sports do have their own ECU's. I do not have access to fuel or ignition maps to compare them- but if you can please post the data. Not every measure of performance is drag racing either. From Motortrend:
"Honda apparently didn't intended for the Sport moniker to denote quicker acceleration but rather better handling. In that department, the Hatchback Sport pulled 0.88 average g on the skidpad to the Sedan's 0.84 and lapped the figure eight in 27.1 seconds at 0.63 average g to the Sedan's 27.4 seconds at 0.64 average g. The Hatchback Sport also stopped 5 feet shorter, in just 115 feet." The Hatchback was noted as just under 100 pounds heavier too. It is indeed another level of Civic performance. So all of those "same" parts do actually add up to something different. And 5 feet shorter in braking could save someone's life.

I think brake pad size is the same, material looked a little bit different to my eyes.

I definitely did not chose color coded parts, intentionally. At this point, how many would I even have to list that are different? You are just moving the goal posts. Generic to the body style as you say?, I absolutely never picked any part of the rear body of the car, it was very intentional to stay away from the hatch area. You think all of those parts listed are generic to the body? What do you classify as "generic" then?

At this point, we have a few people vocally pushing against having a Hatchback section.
And like only me continuously speaking up for Hatchback people.
So do any Hatchback people want to speak up at this point?

Cool, 20% of all Civics, assuming an even split between coupes, sedans, Si coupes and sedans, and Type R's, or whatever split you want, that's a large chunk of the segment. That still bolsters my point that the hatchbacks are pretty common.

These are some bold claims performance wise, considering that the Sport takes the same canned tunes as every other base turbo model. (also meaning that their ECU isn't unique, unless you want to get pedantic and point out that essentially every ECU is technically unique). And that comparison is a hatchback against the sedan and coupe, I'm talking about against the other hatchbacks, which again is essentially the same performance. And that difference is cool, on a track tested environment. It'd be great to denote in the track technical forum that's already in place (which isn't quite thriving unfortunately).

I don't drag race, by the way, I have a detailed build journal of my car set up for road racing posted on this forum. That's how I know that the hatchback isn't that special: every performance modification is the same as on the other body styles. Even the front knuckle sizing, like I mentioned, is only a sizing for the brackets as it doesn't play in how the shocks are valved.

As for as generic:

From your original listing:
Rear calipers
(2020) Rear Brake pads
CVT axles (Sport and LX are different from the others as well)
Manual Transmission axles
Front calipers
Front hubs
Front brake shield
Front brake pads
Some of the VSA Modulators-I did not check all of them
Front knuckles
Front sway bar
ABS sensors
Front upper shock mount
Front upper spring seat
Front bump stop
Front upper spring mount
Front springs
Front shocks
Front shock absorber plates
Rear trailing arms -until the 2019/20 4door/2door Sport/Tour
Rear ABS sensor /parking brake harness
Rear sway bar
Rear lower arm -until 2018 models- then shared with other 4 door EX and above models
Rear springs
Rear upper shock mount
Rear bump stop
Rear sleeve
Rear shocks
Power steering rack
Brake lines
Brake hoses rear
Brake hoses front
Brake booster
Brake master cylinder
Wheels
Gas tank

Would you care to prove anything? Please go to the Honda Estore and open up a catalog and do some research. Tell me where my mistakes are.

I will keep going just for your sake
Front bumper cover
Rear bumper cover
Hood
Front windshield
Front door assembly
Front door glass
Rear door assembly
Rear door glass
Front sub frame
Front bulkhead
Front shock absorbers housings are even different
Front fender liner
Rear fender liner
etcc

Aside from being wrong about the rear brake pads, the rest of the original list is a no brainer for any different chassis. Go ahead and dismiss this counterpoint as lazy, but digging out a parts list just because it's specifically denoted for a car doesn't separate it performance wise from the rest of the segment. Of course a different body style has different spring rates, just like how they all have different rigidity (which would be a great point to support you, but really it's only significant on the track and I'd wager 90% of the users here and consumers don't care or notice). It's like comparing boost pressure between our cars and a GTR; yes Civics can run up to ~29 psi tuned, but it's nothing against a 19.6 PSI GTR. The story here is that there's more than just reading a spec sheet; what does that difference actually mean?

Your second list is as absurd as it is generic. The front glass, fender liner, windshields are all specific to each chassis and I very doubtful that the hood is specific to any car outside of the Type R given the aftermarket. That's why I likened it to picking out different colours as different parts. If these parts truly make a significant difference (more than just measurable), then state why. It's likely that they're tailored to fit the car and nothing more.

The point is not to have you nitpick every bolt and nut you can find on a Honda parts site to support your proposition, it's to drive that the hatchback is not specialised enough to require a new forum. Or prove me wrong and show me some performance secrets I'm missing on this platform. I'd actually love that instead of regurgitating tidbits like a student cramming hours before an exam without digesting the material.

In case you haven't noticed by now, I own a hatchback as well I'd always recommend the hatchback over any other body style only because of its practicality, nothing more because there's nothing really different over the other turbo sedans and coupes.

 

[SAKE BOMB]

I would just like to know what front splitter and sideskirts/splitters fit on a 2020 EX Hatch. Since joining this group, there’s not much information on the hatch, very disappointing imho.

 

[civicmanic]

I would just like to know what front splitter and sideskirts/splitters fit on a 2020 EX Hatch. Since joining this group, there’s not much information on the hatch, very disappointing imho.

There is a subsection named cosmetic modifications. Post a thread there with your question.

 

[Rickmeister 48]

I'm all for a hatch section,I don't like them, so then maybe I wouldn't have to look at them as much.

 

[SAKE BOMB]

There is a subsection named cosmetic modifications. Post a thread there with your question.

Thanks. Although I’ve tried locating said subsection to no avail.

 

[gtman]

Thanks. Although I’ve tried locating said subsection to no avail.

https://www.civicx.com/forum/forums/cosmetic-modifications-exterior-interior-lighting.14/

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