- Mar 27, 2017
- Reaction score
- torrance, ca
- 2017 CTR, 2019 370Z Nismo, '16 ILX
Here's to hoping that any hardware changes are poachable for our cars.I think the increase is because the 2020 is going to get another increase given it's getting a 2nd refresh. Allows for incremental price changes so we don't freak out on the 2020 pricing. People will pay it so it doesn't matter. I thought the car should have been priced at $37K from Day 1, anyway. If the 2020 comes with some real changes like a carbon roof and a slight power bump, I'll gladly accept another price increase on top of this one.
I completely agree - the Golf R is over 40k after TTL but honestly, not a lot of people seem to be paying MSRP on the CTR. MSRP is great IF you can get it but it seems like most people are paying over 40k and TTL for a car - the salty part is that the MSRP is around $37k. As for the Supra - I think that car WILL be a beast once more reviews come out - just like the CTR and just like the CTR - the ADM will be stupid crazy high on it as well. MSRP for either of these cars are GREAT but if you have be over $40k to just get the CTR bc of dealer ADM or dealer ‘forced/overpriced addons’ - than I have to wonder if it’s worth it.Supra starts at $45k and goes up to $54. I guess $37.5k (MSRP) should be about right for a CTR and that's 40k after taxes and fees, a sweet sport I'm sure Honda tried to make for most buyers. ADM is another story that Honda can't control. But as a consumer, 40k OTD (and below) is the magic number for me.
The problem is now with the price bump and the average dealer 2k mark up . with tax ,tag , and title the R is a over 40k car now.Supra starts at $45k and goes up to $54. I guess $37.5k (MSRP) should be about right for a CTR and that's 40k after taxes and fees, a sweet sport I'm sure Honda tried to make for most buyers. ADM is another story that Honda can't control. But as a consumer, 40k OTD (and below) is the magic number for me.
Stage 1 wrx DIT motors make as much power as a Stage 1 Sti, and it still has a better drivetrain layout than the CTR. Why not just get a wrx then?This & the ADMs is seriously off-putting. A substantial element of this car being FWD is to keep it inexpensive. If the morons @ Subaru weren't still cranking out the STI with a 15+ year-old engine, I'd be strongly considering that instead.
I went one further than you in the "if you could get a ctr at msrp would you trade your Si"- i dont think the ctr is a bargain even at msrp. Much like you, i could never pay $38k for a front wheel drive car even though it's faster around a track than my 15 wrx. I value the awd very highly, and most people who have never driven an awd car would never understand. Thats not to say nobody was happier going fron a STi to a CTR, the Honda is a well built, quality car, but the drivetrain layout just isnt as good as awd.I can't believe people think Type R is a bargain at $40-45k range. Its not. Obviously, its all market dynamics - but $40k for a front-wheel drive civic is not a bargain. Subaru has been churning out 300hp with turbo for ages, you can beat on it all you want about the age of engine etc. but they still keep the price under 40k with AWD. There is no reason for Type R to be close to that. @ $44k you can get a certified M2 - much better styling and driving experience. I love Type R but - sorry - I don't see the value in it with the aggressive price hikes and ADMs.
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