Thinking of a SI

[zx2down]

Sounds like you want the Civic then. The Focus is definitely more "boy racer" styling.

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[dmitri]

I just want a reliable car that I could get more power out of without sacrificing mpg.

You need to prioritize between those three, 'cause you can have them all to the same level. If 'reliable' (long-term) and/or 'mpg' is more important, go with Si. If power, go with ST.

 

[ne0guri]

I'm at around 500 miles now. Today I let the car hang around 3.5-4.5k and man the turbo feels very good... This car easily passes people on the highways! I don't really feel rev hang, except maybe just from 1 to 2, but then again I am not pushing this car hard at all yet. The handling is so nice and the balance is on point. I love this car and I encourage more people to buy one

If I want more power, I will just save up and sell this car in 5 years and get a Tesla

 

[Rikdrt1]

So whats the difference between vic and KRacer, compared to the hondata tune?

Both price and perf gains.

Im new to this tune topic, but i heard Hondata can do 25+45. (Hp and torqu) improvements...

 

[ryan714]

So whats the difference between vic and KRacer, compared to the hondata tune?

Both price and perf gains.

Im new to this tune topic, but i heard Hondata can do 25+45. (Hp and torqu) improvements...

Vit is able to work with Hondata too, but KTuner is able to unlock more potential to the car. Hondata has put limits to their tune to protect the transmission, mostly on the CVTs. KTuner on the other hand has unlocked almost everything you can get out of our 1.5Ts. Its just a matter of getting a custom tune or the tunes it already comes with. Vit is able to push the the car to its limits or to a point where the car isnt in a postion where it'll lose its reliability. Its really up to the owner to what they want. We havent had much time with these cars to see how long it'll last with an aggressive tune

 

[kritz]

One advantage for the ST is that Ford warranties the tune offered by Ford Motorsports. It gives the car like 340 lb-ft or something.

 

[neteng101]

Vit is able to push the the car to its limits or to a point where the car isnt in a postion where it'll lose its reliability.

I have my doubts if he's able to truly verify what the limits are - unlike Hondata, he doesn't seem to run the same sort of reliability testing with his work. Also his recent bad interactions with Hondata has me questioning if there's something else behind the scenes we don't know about. If you want max power, Vit/Ktuner seems to be the way to go though, but if you want more reliability I'd look elsewhere for another reputable tuner that works with Hondata instead.

 

[JDM_DOHC_SiR]

I have my doubts if he's able to truly verify what the limits are - unlike Hondata, he doesn't seem to run the same sort of reliability testing with his work. Also his recent bad interactions with Hondata has me questioning if there's something else behind the scenes we don't know about. If you want max power, Vit/Ktuner seems to be the way to go though, but if you want more reliability I'd look elsewhere for another reputable tuner that works with Hondata instead.

What bad interactions are these? I haven't seen anything @VitViper tuning has had a run in with Hondata? Isn't @VitViper a Dealer for Hondata. Now as far as tuning, I might have missed it but have there been any reliability issues with tunes @VitViper has performed?

 

[Shankmeyster]

Since when is Vit not a reputable tuner? He's the most highly sought after tuner in the community. As far as the Si goes, go drive one before making a decision.

 

[VitViper]

I have my doubts if he's able to truly verify what the limits are - unlike Hondata, he doesn't seem to run the same sort of reliability testing with his work. Also his recent bad interactions with Hondata has me questioning if there's something else behind the scenes we don't know about. If you want max power, Vit/Ktuner seems to be the way to go though, but if you want more reliability I'd look elsewhere for another reputable tuner that works with Hondata instead.

I must of missed something? If someone wants to buy a FlashPro -- got one on the shelf behind me, in stock ready to go. However you can't tune a MAF curve on the Si w/ it. This is fact, not "bad interactions". There are also a lot of tables "behind the scenes" that you don't know about that aren't available for tuning with Hondata and I have full access to customize as I please with KTuner for my customers. Knowing that, you really think I wouldn't recommend KTuner to someone wanting me to have the ability to customize their tune more? It's also not my responsibility to go point by point and name every table I have and how they work. If you want to see the difference, you can visit me at the shop and I can show in depth details into what is really going on inside these ECU's and how much time I've spent combing through it all to see what makes sense, what's useful and what's not.

I also daily drive our test car at much higher levels than anyone else is running. I've taken the motor through numerous 300wtq+ pulls now during test sessions. I've tested numerous different fuels on the motors now as well with mapping on very aggressive levels just to "see what happens". What kind of "reliability testing" do you want? A 24 hour race with the car detuned to 200tq and 200hp on race gas? Nothing will break at that power level, regardless of software vendor -- that's basically stock power.

But if you really want to get into it. Here's some "behind the scenes".

I sent Hondata a very long, multi-paragraph email on 12/20/2016 with comments on their software as well as a lengthy & detailed feature request on what I'd like to see. I'm not going to post the details of that as private conversations are private. I had something like 10 things I would like to see added ASAP based on my experience with existing D/I platforms (MSP3, FT86, WRX) that are very useful.

When a month went by and I got no useful updates I finally contacted KTuner and figured I'd give his software a try as I was a dealer for KTuner as well. It worked. I then gave him the SAME list of things I wanted to see.

To date Hondata's delivered something like 2 things off my list (fix for the WG ramp BS and the VSA toggle). KTuner has delivered ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ITEM. And I'm testing further tables here shortly that will help complete that list.

 

[Chief 08]

So this K Tuner and flashpro don't already come with tunes on them? I'm a bit confused.

 

[VitViper]

So this K Tuner and flashpro don't already come with tunes on them? I'm a bit confused.

No, the devices are blank until you register them with their respective vendor. Then you can either load an included map or get a custom tune.

 

[Chief 08]

How can you custom tune a car without the car?

 

[VitViper]

How can you custom tune a car without the car?

Virtually the same way you do it in person -- you datalog it, make changes, rinse and repeat.

 

[Chief 08]

Don't all these car run the same way? I'm just trying to learn, not trying to sharp shoot you.

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