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We'll see. Everything is pure speculation at this point.

One thing I know for sure, gonna be hard to get me out of my DSG car for a MT only Si. If that were the case, I'd probably lease another GTI, and another, and another until Honda gets with it and puts a DCT in the Si. I ain't driving no damn stick shift in Seattle traffic ever again, and I ain't gonna drive no puny 1.5 CVT either.
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Ok someone start a petition I will start it but want it to get it into honda's hands ha
 

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Its probably the same exact engine just de-tuned, most tuned turbo cars are good for a 30% increase. so do the math 30% of 230 = +70. 300HP. Essentially you might be able to get a car with a nerfed type-r heart. Might be a cheaper and lighter option for tuners especially if there's no type-r coupe.

But will have to see engine specs, I can almost bet the compression ratios are going to be different, most likely the Type-Rs will be lower to allow more boost, keeping it safe from the factory. But a higher compression SI tuned will have more potential.
 

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This is great news cause if the Si comes in anything less than a 2.0 220+ HP I'll be looking at other options
 

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Just opinion here, but I'd like to see the DCT reserved for the Acura ILX equivalent.

Who makes the Honda DCT? Is it Honda? I'm assuming so. In any case, hopefully it is better in terms of reliability than the VW DCT. My friend at the VW dealer here says they see a failed DCT about every 8-10 days.
And there is the reason I don't want the DCT in the Si. The best thing about our Si's is how good they are and how well they can take abuse. I know there were some syncro issues in the early 8th gens, and they've had issues with clutch master and slave cylinders, but otherwise they're pretty solid in my experience because they've avoided complicated components.
 


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Jeez yall can keep your Si badge give us a sport that is the Si equivalent just without the two letter badge. Some of us it's not practical to drive in traffic all day with a manual.
 

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Just opinion here, but I'd like to see the DCT reserved for the Acura ILX equivalent.

Who makes the Honda DCT? Is it Honda? I'm assuming so. In any case, hopefully it is better in terms of reliability than the VW DCT. My friend at the VW dealer here says they see a failed DCT about every 8-10 days.
And there is the reason I don't want the DCT in the Si. The best thing about our Si's is how good they are and how well they can take abuse. I know there were some syncro issues in the early 8th gens, and they've had issues with clutch master and slave cylinders, but otherwise they're pretty solid in my experience because they've avoided complicated components.
VW DSG has a reputation of not being very reliable. I quote another member @Razer

Performance on the DCT from VW is okay but it burns through clutch packs on the DCT. Bad enough they tell people to go ahead and start saving for one if they are going to keep it past three years. Some people got through three clutch packs on the DCT or more before people burn out a normal clutch.
I'd like to see a DCT option on the Si. No reason to reserve is exclusively for the ILX IMO. ILX is a sedan and Si is the sportier of the two, especially in coupe form.
 

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Hopefully Honda just gives us the same 2.4 engine we've had for the last 4 years and adds a turbo. Because if you think about it why should honda take something they've already given us a 2.4 liter. Then reduce it down to a 2.0 or down to a 1.8 mean how is that fair? I think the 2.4 and 6 speed transmission manual that we currently have is great there's nothing wrong with it. Just give it some more horsepower by adding a turbo and a better exhaust. Then offer those parts for special order so the 2012 to 2015 guys can upgrade without losing any warranty.. :)
 
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I like the idea of a 2.4t but running on regular gas. 220 hp and torque and through honda upgrade it to monster hp and torque kind of like ford with the focus st right now. Still covered under warranty. Then need premium gas when it's been modified.
 


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.VW DSG has a reputation of not being very reliable. I quote another member @Razer
Wow, one guys says "VW DSG has a reputation of not being very reliable" and you are just going to go with that?

People were upset when I pointed out how much Honda CVTs have sucked over the years.
 

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They're not going to keep the current 2.0/2.4 because they're not direct injected. DI really makes these things work much better.
 

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To my mustang camaro comment earlier yes they are different beasts then honda considered muscle cars. But honda with especially this new coupe in a higher performance models would steal lots of ford and chevy sales. Some people don't want rwd vehicles like me in the north east with a job that requires travel in a state of emergency and can't afford a second car. This is the time that maybe honda needs to make the Si like the type r in power and the type r to the extreme like type r awd with a hybrid turbo option. Seriously a three hundred hp car should only cost 26 k to start for manual Si and auto Si 27500 it would put a hurting on competition. Type r awd 450 hp for 36 k and that one can be manual only or why not have an auto too and charge 38 k if people like and willing to spend why not?
 

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Wow, one guys says "VW DSG has a reputation of not being very reliable" and you are just going to go with that?

People were upset when I pointed out how much Honda CVTs have sucked over the years.
I think the difference is that the Honda cvt sucked but still worked. Nissan, for example, has cvt that sucks and breaks.
 

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To my mustang camaro comment earlier yes they are different beasts then honda considered muscle cars. But honda with especially this new coupe in a higher performance models would steal lots of ford and chevy sales. Some people don't want rwd vehicles like me in the north east with a job that requires travel in a state of emergency and can't afford a second car. This is the time that maybe honda needs to make the Si like the type r in power and the type r to the extreme like type r awd with a hybrid turbo option. Seriously a three hundred hp car should only cost 26 k to start for manual Si and auto Si 27500 it would put a hurting on competition. Type r awd 450 hp for 36 k and that one can be manual only or why not have an auto too and charge 38 k if people like and willing to spend why not?
Honda will never make a 300HP Civic for $26k in America. That would basically be the current euro Type R for almost $10k less money. Try to understand that its not just about the power. If you are going to have a FWD drive car with that much power, you need to have a suspension, brakes, electronics, seats, etc, that will keep the vehicle and driver safe on the road, in addition to ensuring long term reliability. Considering the 15 Si starts at just under $24k, you cannot add all those additional features for only $2k. The math just doesn't work.

And if somehow the guys at Honda HQ decided to drink heavy on the warm sake and did sell the Type R for $26K, you are not stealing lots of Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro owners. To the greater majority of them, Honda is not even on their radar. Heck, the S2000 was never on their radar.

Now, will a few Ford Focus ST customers consider jumping ship? Yes. Yet at the same time, the average Si customer is not considering a Mustang or Camaro either.

And 300HP for $26k would be a steal with a 4 Cyl.

Remember, in their minds, Honda is not competing with the rest of the industry as far as sales numbers. If that was the case, they could easily start doing fleet sales like everyone and easily have the number one selling vehicle in each segment. That's just not who they are.

They aim to make the best products possible, fuel efficient, loaded with standard features, top safety rated, longest reliability, and be profitable.

And I'll tell one more thing. It has worked. While Honda is not a perfect car company, nor do they make a model for every type of customer out there, they are the only manufacturer who has never ended a fiscal year in a financial loss. No other car company can make the same claim. Not Mercedes, not BMW, not Toyota, and especially not any American car company.

Its just not about the outselling the competition with Honda. Really.
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