OFFICIAL Phearable stage 1.5 vs TSP stage 1 comparison

[topher_fc3]

Do you have any issues with clutch slip? my estimation was that a reportedly smoother tune would be less hard on the clutch.

Not at all, my only other engine mods are the 27won intake and hks exhuast but no clutch slipping in whatsoever, neither in map 2 or map 3 when it drive in those.

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[Dan-O]

Not at all, my only other engine mods are the 27won intake and hks exhuast but no clutch slipping in whatsoever, neither in map 2 or map 3 when it drive in those.

thats awesome to hear, I have similar mods, but I'm a fan boy and have the 27won intake and cat back exhaust lol thanks for the info!

 

[phearable]

Yeah I saw this info on another comment, but I'm asking if there's a value to watch that would indicate I am damaging the engine? or will the tune just retard timing to safe levels for that fuel and cut power?

@gtman covered it with his reply

 

[Mr.Apex]

Not at all, my only other engine mods are the 27won intake and hks exhuast but no clutch slipping in whatsoever, neither in map 2 or map 3 when it drive in those.

Thanks for your info and response im pulling the trigger on it tonight! also thats the exact intake and exhaust I want any sound clips? Experience/Review?

 

[topher_fc3]

Thanks for your info and response im pulling the trigger on it tonight! also thats the exact intake and exhaust I want any sound clips? Experience/Review?

Nice one and no problem!

I’m happy with both, the intake design sold it for me and the quality is great, as reflected in the packaging for the intake. I’d recommend sticking with the street maf.

The exhaust sounds as I had hoped, not raspy or too loud. The character changes slightly and ‘opens up’ throughout the first 1,000 mi.

Here’s just the intake...



Cold start...


Warmer start and small rev...

 

[BruisedAvocado]

Do you have any issues with clutch slip? my estimation was that a reportedly smoother tune would be less hard on the clutch.

these clutches are hit or miss i was FBO+tsp2 and my clutch held up fine no slip but i also didnt track it or launch it

 

[Myx]

Phearable vs TSP tune at the dragstrip.

Thoughts?

 

[Mr.Apex]

Phearable vs TSP tune at the dragstrip.

Thoughts?

Makes sense for the general consensus of what people are describing. TSP feeling stronger down low so maybe causing more wheel spin early on then the Phearable pulling harder up top and not as much spin. Super close though hard to say of course driver, tires, and gear ratios are different as well also sedan vs coupe.

 

[Christianjwong]

Good morning folks. This will be an in-depth comparison between Phearable's stage 1.5 tune (GOD mode) vs, Two Step Performance's stage 1 tune.

DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliations with either company, this is an honest and unbiased comparison.

Current Mods: PRL intake, Catless DP, & Magnaflow catback.

I bought the Phearable tune the other night and wanted to give it a few days to really notice all of the differences. The topics that I am going to cover are drivability, deceleration, reliability, and performance.

DRIVABILITY
The very first thing I noticed while driving with this tune was the smooth transition between gears. With TSP (rev hang disabled) it was almost tricky at times to drive the car smooth - especially if you have been using the rev hang feature for smoother shifting prior. WIth Phearable's tune, even with rev hang disabled it is a breeze to shift through the gears smoothly. You'll also notice right off the bat that 'Sport' mode no longer changes anything regarding to engine performance. So that means 'sport' mode no longer makes the throttle super sensitive, it doesn't change boost settings or how fast the boost will ramp up. What you see is what you get. In saying that, Phearable has struck a pretty solid middle ground between performance and drivability in regards to throttle sensitivity. With TSP I found if I was crusing around in 'Sport' mode the car always had this sense of urgency; if you dipped into the throttle even a little then the boost would ramp up and start pulling. Phearable's tune you need to give it more throttle to get more response in comparison to TSP. This is not a bad thing in my opinion, it makes for day-to-day driving quite comfortable and knowing that I have full power/boost on hand all the time without having to switch to 'sport' mode is a welcomed change.

The last thing I noticed with the Phearable tune is when you have 'cruise main' enabled the rev hang is much more prominent than TSP when it had 'cruise main' enabled. There is a reason for this (see drivability). To sum this category up, Both Phearable and TSP have made their tunes very comfortable to use in daily driving, it really comes down to preference in regards to features of the tunes.

DECELERATION
Now you might think that this is an odd topic to cover but I think it is important to note a few things that I have noticed.

Let's first talk about GOD mode. I purchased this setting because I already have a catless DP and thought that I would give it a shot. It sounds great. Between 3500-5000 RPMs while decelerating, the car starts off with loud burbles then all of a sudden it starts cracking and popping, It is quite pleasing to hear actually. It isn't over the top like a lot of the Hyundais or BMW cars you'll hear but it certainly is loud, noticable, and fun. There is a caution notice on Phearable's website regarding this feature so be considerate of that if you do purchase this.

While downshifting with 'cruise main' enabled, this is where you'll get most of your gurgles and pops. I have to say that it does sound great. I should also make note that the tune gurgles all throughout the rev range but you only need to be cautious of the specified rev range when 'cruise main' is enabled. When 'cruise main' is enabled I noticed that the car doesn't nearly decelerate as fast as it would if the rev hang is disabled. I have to note that the car almost has a slight jerking sensation when decelerating in order to make these sounds. When I say a jerking feelling it does not make the ride uncomfortable but I did notice it. It is just something to be aware of. TSP and their tune whether you have rev hang enabled or disabled decelerates very smoothly.

When you turn rev hang off, the car decelerates very smoothly and doesn't have any hesitation. Even with rev hang disabled, you'll notice the car will start to burble from 2000 RPM and below. This is a nice touch, it gives it a pleasing sound in parking lots when you're just casually driving. My TSP tune would gurgle a bit but I would have to be at 1500 RPMS and under.

RELIABILITY
This will be a short topic. Maybe it'll be useful for people who are new to the platform. Two Step Performance and their stage 1 tune has been proven to be extremely reliable assuming the car isn't abused. Their tune has a great track record and has been run in many 10th gens with nothing but good things to say about them. That goes for myself as well, I have had TSP for about 20,000kms and this tune is excellent. I would certainly recommend them to anyone.

To be honest, I had never heard of Phearable until recently. From my research they have been around for a long time with a proven track record with Honda tuning. My guess would be that this tune will also be very reliable but of course that has yet to be seen.

PERFORMANCE
Here is the big question. Let's get this out of the way... Phearable stage 1.5 > TSP stage 1.

The very first thing that I noticed when I did my first 3rd gear pull was that the torque doesn't come on as hard. It seems that Phearable ramps up their boost at a slower rate. Although it comes on slightly slower, Phearable certainly feels like it has slightly more torque and a noticeably beefier mid-range. You'll really notice once you hit 4000RPM that the car has a significant difference all the way to redline. It is actually a weird sensation and hard to describe. It feels like Phearable's tune takes less effort to rev in comparison to TSP. Although boost comes slightly later in the rev range, it may prove to be slightly safer on both the internals and our clutches. I'm still running the stock clutch and haven't had any slippage on either tunes, I am one of the lucky ones.

The best analogy I can think of is when I went from the Ktuner basemap to TSP the difference was significant. Going from TSP to Phearable’s tune is a similar feeling - although not as prominent it does have more power.. You notice more power throughout the entire rev range with a significant difference up top. Even yesterday it was very hot outside and the car would pull extremely well. I’m excited to see what it does on a cooler night. I’m certainly happy with the purchase.

All in all, if you’re running TSP stage 1, it is worth the upgrade to Phearable’s tune. Both tunes are excellent.

I will try to answer any questions you may have. Cheers.

EDITED:

GOD Mode drive-by

Great review has anyone done a review for the cvt tsp compared to pherable?

 

[phearable]

Great review has anyone done a review for the cvt tsp compared to pherable?

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/gtmans-phearable-1-5-non-si-versus-tsp-1-non-si-review.59796/

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/the-tsp-1-phearable-1-5-non-si-report-card.60377/

 

[gtman]

John, that's actually my TSP 1 long term review.

Here's my TSP versus Phearable non-Si threads:

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/gtmans-phearable-1-5-non-si-versus-tsp-1-non-si-review.59796/

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/the-tsp-1-phearable-1-5-non-si-report-card.60377/

 

[Mr.Apex]

Ok update ive been running the Phearable tune for about a month now and its soo smooth and responsive at the same time. My Knock even with some spirited driving has never gone above .65 even with the lack of 93 here in CA so no worries there. If you want a much more dailyable tune that doesnt feel super snappy and aggresive but still pulls plenty hard when you want it to do it worth every penny.

 

[Rob2112]

Phearable non-Si with manual transmission.
Smooth is all I can say. .49 knock average -93 Shell
TSP not so smooth with 6MT.
Ktuner Starter21 ect... kinda in the middle of the two.
I just think it my be a matter of tast and the difference between automatic vs. manual, Si - non Si.
All have been really fun and reliable toying with.
Just have the Spirited Fun of trying one?

 

[Civic_Si_Yes]

How do these tunes feel/compare to VitVipers stage 1?

 

[Sport-injected]

How do these tunes feel/compare to VitVipers stage 1?

I personally don't know what that is... Sorry can't go on this one bud.

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