Non-SI Stage 2 vs Starter Dual eco/21...ECO Button

[Shinjari]

So I recently got a @KTuner V1.2 and am in the process of finding out what 'tune' and options works best for me.

I've read somewhere that the Stage 2 base map is the same as the Starter Dual Eco/21 map, but the Starter map doesn't have any of the 'options' enabled and you have to go through and set your quick adjustments.

My question is, if I load the Stage 2 map, what options are selected and/or what level they are at?

Like for example, is Throttle Responsiveness at Intermediate I or since its Stage 2 is it at Intermediate II?

I guess I'm just trying to get the feel of the Stage 2, but with the ECO button options. What does the ECO button do when loading a Stage 1 or Stage 2? Is it factory Eco, Normalized Eco or Normalized Eco/Sport+?

Maybe having the quick adjustments shown for the Stage 1 and 2, but grayed out just so we have a base line when creating/editting starter maps? Or is hiding them on purpose?

Besides this and TunerView not showing my slot descriptions (ugh have to remember what tunes are where) I am super happy with the v1.2 and the change in power band. Need to fine tune my options and possibly get a different mount so I can use the Dash Camera option.

Thanks for the help guys.

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[KTuner]

Stage 2 is custom, not using quick adjustments. You can't replicate it directly with the quick adjustments, but you can surpass it. Spool set to improved and responsiveness set to improved will get you close.

 

[Shinjari]

Stage 2 is custom, not using quick adjustments. You can't replicate it directly with the quick adjustments, but you can surpass it. Spool set to improved and responsiveness set to improved will get you close.

@KTuner can you tell me what the ECO setting is when using Stage 2? Is it the ECO map? Normal non-eco map? Granted the likelihood of using ECO is minimal haha.

Thanks for the update. Guessing improved will get me close....will aggressive surpass it?

 

[KTuner]

Stage 2 is stage 2 all the time.

Yes, definitely.

 

[raynist]

Stage 2 is stage 2 all the time.

Yes, definitely.

I think he meant to ask about the dual map and if eco setting is the same as the stock eco setting with no tune loaded. Based on what I have seen so far driving my car with a dual tune I would say that when in eco mode it is the same as the eco mode is when my car was stock with no flash but I haven’t read anything to confirm.

 

[KTuner]

I think he meant to ask about the dual map and if eco setting is the same as the stock eco setting with no tune loaded. Based on what I have seen so far driving my car with a dual tune I would say that when in eco mode it is the same as the eco mode is when my car was stock with no flash but I haven’t read anything to confirm.

On stage 2 there is no separate ECO setting. They're both stage 2. He would need the dual tune setup to have ECO be different.

ECO mode with factory boost targets will still be a little more powerful than factory because some factory limitations have been lifted. Then with quick adjustments, drivability can still be pretty different than factory.

 

[Schmullis]

On stage 2 there is no separate ECO setting. They're both stage 2. He would need the dual tune setup to have ECO be different.

ECO mode with factory boost targets will still be a little more powerful than factory because some factory limitations have been lifted. Then with quick adjustments, drivability can still be pretty different than factory.

So, if I understand, with Dual Tune, when in Eco Mode, the car still has factory boost, but has faster turbo spool, less turbo lag, etc.? So, Eco Mode in dual tune should be an improvement over factory "normal" (non-Eco) performance?

 

[KTuner]

Yes. As well as other limitations removed so it will hit full boost target etc.

 

[SilverArrow]

Yes. As well as other limitations removed so it will hit full boost target etc.

Then,
in map "starter dual target 21 psi", we will have:
- ECO mode on, similar to "starter 16,5 psi"
- ECO mode off, equal to "starter 21 psi"
Is it right?

 

[gtman]

Then,
in map "starter dual target 21 psi", we will have:
- ECO mode on, similar to "starter 16,5 psi"
- ECO mode off, equal to "starter 21 psi"
Is it right?

No. ECO on gives you factory boost levels. ECO off gives you 21 psi.

 

[SilverArrow]

No. ECO on gives you factory boost levels. ECO off gives you 21 psi.

Then, when in Eco Mode, the map is like stock ECO off. Is it right?

 

[gtman]

In normal driving without the Econ button pressed, you get 21 psi.

When you press the Econ button (green leaf on dash) you get the factory boost curve. But, if you've adjusted things like like throttle and spool and ramp, driveability will be more responsive than stock.

 

[SilverArrow]

Let me try this again...

In normal driving without the Econ button pressed, you get 21 psi max target.

When you press the Econ button (green leaf on dash) you get the factory boost setup. But, if you've adjusted quick adjustments like throttle and turbo responsiveness and ramp, driveability will be peppier than stock.

Ok Gtman, now i have understood.
Thanks again.

 

[SilverArrow]

Hi,

for my ECU 5AN-E32 still i have the initial support, that provides these quick adjustments only:

- Turbo Responsiveness
- Turbo Spool
- Boost Target Ramp Rate

I loaded "Starter dual target 21 psi" map, so i set these quick adjustments in the following mode:

- Turbo Responsiveness Improved Responsiveness III
- Turbo Spool Improved Spool II
- Boost Target Ramp Rate Aggressive Ramp II

My question is this: in the Stage 2 map, how they are set these quick adjustments?

I ask this, because i had some test with "Stage 2" and "Starter dual target 21 psi" maps, and i think the "Stage 2" is most aggressive.

Thanks and sorry for my bad english....

 

[KTuner]

They're custom. You can go beyond stage 2 using the options available with the starter.

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