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Nothing but respect for Nissan who, despite being in shambles recently, releases a new sports car in 2020 with a manual. Don’t love the styling but it is clean and I appreciate it how it pays homage to Zs of the past without looking retro. Fingers crossed for Toyota responding with a manual Supra.
Yeah... the biggest fear I have about Z cars isn't the Z itself but Nissan itself. The company has been adrift with no one at the helm for awhile... kind of like a late 90s Nissan. Lancia took a big stake in them and they got rolling again... the 350Z came out... Altima/Maxima/Sentra were pretty good early 2000s. VQ motor got thrown in everything. I feel like they've been coasting on that momentum for over a decade and that they're having to pull from their so-so Infiniti line just to pull this off. The GTR has been top dog for a while and kept the Z down for a long time. This is the first Z I've seen that, to me, actually looks more 'halo car' like the 300zx was in it's time. Would love to see the inclusion of things like modern HICAS as well. If the 300zx could get it over 30 years ago and the GTR has some flavor of it now... why not this thing?



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Any price tag guesses? Over 45k or under? Lovin the old tail light look, I like the tear shape headlights and the daytime running lights look 👍
Used to have a turbo/nonturbo engine option from the early '80s with the 280ZX until the 300ZX folded state-side in '96. Q50/60s have a 300 and 400 hp variant of the VR30DDTT. My guess is they'll do a little power differentiation with the NISMO with the NISMO being $50k or higher and a base... open diff... barebones 300Z (I refuse to call it a 400Z until it's for real. as that breaks 50 years of tradition) for $34,999-39,999. That is, of course a wild ass guess (WAG). A sport trim with a LSD and some goodies... I bet will be $40-45k. Again... WAGing.
 

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Very sharp design I always like the Datsun/Nissan Z cars
at least it’s a Nissan sports car not a Toyota/ BMW sports car
 

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I like the retro throwback looks. The only thing I dislike about the design is how rectangular the grille is shaped. I really feel like it should've been rounded off instead of being so boxy.

The interior is top notch, and the fact it can be had with both a manual and traditional E-brake is a callback to the past. Hopefully Nissan actually plans to put this into production.

Side note: I still think 370zs are cool as hell despite being 10 years old at this point.
 

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Fun fact on the price front:

A 300zx ended its run in the US in ‘96 with a admittedly weak Yen at $45,579 for a twin turbo. If we get a twin turbo 300z again 25 years later for the same price... I’d say it’s reasonable.

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I think my ‘94 was around $40k new. Another reason why parts have the “300zx markup”. Adjusted for inflation... they cost what GTRs cost.
 

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I like the retro throwback looks. The only thing I dislike about the design is how rectangular the grille is shaped. I really feel like it should've been rounded off instead of being so boxy.

The interior is top notch, and the fact it can be had with both a manual and traditional E-brake is a callback to the past. Hopefully Nissan actually plans to put this into production.

Side note: I still think 370zs are cool as hell despite being 10 years old at this point.
This has 3 square grills and real and fake vents aswell

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And a rant on naming schemes. I know we got the invite to the "400z.com"

A 240Z had a 2.4 liter L engine.
A 260Z had a 2.6 liter L engine
A 280Z had a 2.8 liter L engine
A 280ZX had a 2.8 liter L engine... a turbo option was available
A 300ZX (Z31) had SOHC VG 3.0 (VG30ET) engine with a turbo option available. Fun fact... it was Nissans first V6... and it soldiered on into the 2000s in the 1st gen Xterras.
A 300ZX (Z32) had a DOHC VG 3.0 (VG30DETT) engine. Twin turbos were available. This is the *only* car that had a rated 300 hp number matching the car name... though they dropped VVT the last year. Also... the autos supposedly were downrated to 280 hp.
350zs ranged from a 280-ish DE engine... a 300 hp rev up engine... or a 300+ (god I can't remember) HR engine... the output changed based on the SAE revision. The HP was never "350"... but it had a 3.5 liter VQ engine
The 370Z had a 3.7 liter VQ engine. 332 HP for regular... 350 hp for NISMO.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... A Z POWERED BY A 3.0 LITER ENGINE... TURBOS OR NOT... IS A 300Z.

If we get a 400 hp non-Nismo and a 450 hp Nismo on different variants of the VR30DDTT... are we going to call each a 400Z and a 450Z? Ridiculous.

Add the "X" at the end like they did for the 280ZX through 300ZX if you want to talk luxury and it be more of a grand tourer.

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Stretch goal after its release: Now that the Z is finally getting more serious power... take the hopped up variant of the 2.5 they already have... make a 4 cylinder RWD competitor starting at $24,999 for to the likes of the MX5/BRZ/86... slap a “250SX” badge on it and sell them like hot cakes.
If only YOU were the shot caller!!! F'in FABULOUS IDEA!!!
 

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If only YOU were the shot caller!!! F'in FABULOUS IDEA!!!
They brought the 350Z back in '03 for right at $25000 for it's initial MSRP. It's been awhile. Inflation... this Z's obviously going to cost more than the old 350Z based on tech alone. They should absolutely do a smaller stripped down, smaller engine car. Cut the FM platform down as much as you can and make a sexy, modern 240SX on it. The 240s made something like 155. If they can aim for 200... they'd be right there w/a 86 and a MX5. They do have a flavor of 2.5 that was supercharged... so they've dabbled in forced induction on that engine. If they can make a base car around $25k and a turbo variant make 300 hp in a 3000 lb-ish car for $30-35k... they'd be swinging for the fences.

The problem w/the GTR is it's almost too "halo" at this point and unattainable. Like the NSX on the Acura side. Most people will never spend 6 figures on a car. Having good brand language which Nissan has been hurting for lately and a range of products at different price points.

I don't know why the Altima and the Maxima both exist. I don't know why the Maxima isn't rebranded an Infiniti at this point either... though it's still rolling with that VQ motor. It has some convenience options that even the Q50 lacks. I don't think it holds a candle to an Avalon... if that's what's left for it to compete with. Hell... Infiniti didn't get on the ball with Car Play/Android auto until *this* model year. They've massaged the Altima and the Sentra a bit though the Altima isn't reviewing too favorably compared to some of the competition and not having a AWD drivetrain that'll take the variable compression 2.0T they have now is a big loss. Their CVTs need some TLC or they need to dump them for a geared unit people will like and will still give them as wide of ratios for their needs.

I love the Z... but I cannot understand WTF Nissan is doing most of the time. It's like they do well... get ahead... then sit back and let people not only catch up but lap them.
 

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Yeah... the biggest fear I have about Z cars isn't the Z itself but Nissan itself. The company has been adrift with no one at the helm for awhile... kind of like a late 90s Nissan. Lancia took a big stake in them and they got rolling again... the 350Z came out... Altima/Maxima/Sentra were pretty good early 2000s. VQ motor got thrown in everything. I feel like they've been coasting on that momentum for over a decade and that they're having to pull from their so-so Infiniti line just to pull this off. The GTR has been top dog for a while and kept the Z down for a long time. This is the first Z I've seen that, to me, actually looks more 'halo car' like the 300zx was in it's time. Would love to see the inclusion of things like modern HICAS as well. If the 300zx could get it over 30 years ago and the GTR has some flavor of it now... why not this thing?
I think Nissan is in a better space going forward. They restructured their alliance with Renault so that they can stop chasing volume, downsize and focus on making ambitious cars again. Ngl, I had to look up HICAS Lol, but I believe the modern equivalent would be some sort of electrification, perhaps e motors at the front axles. That would make a pretty cool Nismo.
 

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It has potential. I have owned a '71 240Z, '78 280Z and Nismo 350Z so I do like Z cars. I agree the front end needs some tweaking and the tail needs some type of wing. Car is not aggressive enough but I suspect it can be revised a little before production.
 

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Nissan would be smart to embrace the drift culture which is basically a GLOBAL NISSAN MARKETING MACHINE in itself.
 

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but I cannot understand WTF Nissan is doing most of the time.
true it’s Definitely not like 1987 when they had this cheap but bullitt proof Sentra my brother In law bought one new in 1987 and the car had over 200k when he got rid of it in 1999 and had very little problems with it unfortunately when my sister bought a 2014 Sentra it had quite a few problems which made her trade it in for a Jeep ( which is probably as bad)

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This was not his car got pic off internet
 

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