New PRL e85 Flex-Fuel KIT Installed :O

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In simple terms:
The relative mixture of E85 to Pump Gas is dependant on the capability of the Fuel Flow through the system.
Right right. Can we not run full e85 on ktuner as of right now? I'm seeing a lot of guys running full e85 with flashpro maps. I would imagine you could do the same thing with the flex fuel kit being the safety net to compensate since e85 stations aren't always true e85 and has some deviations in it's numbers. But, i'm not seeing any ktuner maps out there for e85 as of right now?

 

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Right right. Can we not run full e85 on ktuner as of right now? I'm seeing a lot of guys running full e85 with flashpro maps. I would imagine you could do the same thing with the flex fuel kit being the safety net to compensate since e85 stations aren't always true e85 and has some deviations in it's numbers. But, i'm not seeing any ktuner maps out there for e85 as of right now?
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E85 will require the fuel system to supply 35% more fuel for a given horsepower level. That means the pump(s), lines, regulator, injectors and return must all support 35% more volume at the same pressure as stock.

Contact KTuner or PRL gather information based on both of their Converters/Kits to determine which application better suits your build.

Hope that aides your question
 
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Make sure you have disabled the check boxes we laid out in our guide
Hey can you guys explain in depth on why our cars can't run or be tuned on Full E85 safely till we get the port injection kit? Or why tuners like Daniel from Church is tuning people on Full E and saying it's fine?
 

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So just purchased the SirimotoFlexFuel kit, and reading more about the blends. From what I understand is:
1-blend E-85 with 93 octane to reach either E-37 blend or E-40 blend

But what about the hondata basemap, is requires to run full E-85, is that still reliable for the injectors?

And also, will I be able to blend E-85 with 91 octane gas? Not sure where I can find 93 octane where I live (San jose, Ca)

Also, I'm guessing the gauge that comes with the kit will show the blend of fuel I have? Maybe someone with the Sirimoto kit can give me an inside, thanks!
 
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So just purchased the SirimotoFlexFuel kit, and reading more about the blends. From what I understand is:
1-blend E-85 with 93 octane to reach either E-37 blend or E-40 blend

But what about the hondata basemap, is requires to run full E-85, is that still reliable for the injectors?

And also, will I be able to blend E-85 with 91 octane gas? Not sure where I can find 93 octane where I live (San jose, Ca)

Also, I'm guessing the gauge that comes with the kit will show the blend of fuel I have? Maybe someone with the Sirimoto kit can give me an inside, thanks!
I am sure you seeked out your answer by now, but you can still mix e85 with 91. I don't have 93 in most my area either, so I am mixing e98 with 92 octane. 92 octane at my pump is still about e10 which is the same as 93 octane pumps. I am mixing e98 just because I need less of it mixed with pump to get the desired blend. As far as full e85, on this forum I have come across two people who have gone boom on hondata running full e85. As far as I know those two guys were tuned too not just on a basemap by a known Hondata tuner. Not worth the risk to me at the moment, so I am happy with an e35 blend on Ktuner and the TSP Stg2 OTS tune.
 

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I am sure you seeked out your answer by now, but you can still mix e85 with 91. I don't have 93 in most my area either, so I am mixing e98 with 92 octane. 92 octane at my pump is still about e10 which is the same as 93 octane pumps. I am mixing e98 just because I need less of it mixed with pump to get the desired blend. As far as full e85, on this forum I have come across two people who have gone boom on hondata running full e85. As far as I know those two guys were tuned too not just on a basemap by a known Hondata tuner. Not worth the risk to me at the moment, so I am happy with an e35 blend on Ktuner and the TSP Stg2 OTS tune.
If by known tuner you mean Church tuned then your getting boom tunes
 

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A tuner will only do what they are paid for. That is just smart business. All these “fiascos” are more a result of ownership not tunership.
A true built platform is “The Road Less Travelled” by.
Some of the most recent engine failures could very well be related to ignoring keying the crank. Sure, you can have relatively great tune - but wait until the pulley & sprockets slip under high boost.

Another note is:
When pushing a turbo further in its pressure ratio, you are defeating the purpose of using E85. Basically, killing Peter to save Paul.
 

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A tuner will only do what they are paid for. That is just smart business. All these “fiascos” are more a result of ownership not tunership.
A true built platform is “The Road Less Travelled” by.
Some of the most recent engine failures could very well be related to ignoring keying the crank. Sure, you can have relatively great tune - but wait until the pulley & sprockets slip under high boost.

Another note is:
When pushing a turbo further in its pressure ratio, you are defeating the purpose of using E85. Basically, killing Peter to save Paul.
There’s not enough injection window for full E85 hence people run meth with Eblend. Others will need to eait for port injection kits to come out to use full E
 


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There’s not enough injection window for full E85 hence people run meth with Eblend. Others will need to eait for port injection kits to come out to use full E
Yes, I am fully aware of stock fuel system capabilities.
What I should have written is: E85 Blend
 

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I hope this kit is better then Two Step Performance kit that I have and I only had problems with it.
 

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I am sure you seeked out your answer by now, but you can still mix e85 with 91. I don't have 93 in most my area either, so I am mixing e98 with 92 octane. 92 octane at my pump is still about e10 which is the same as 93 octane pumps. I am mixing e98 just because I need less of it mixed with pump to get the desired blend. As far as full e85, on this forum I have come across two people who have gone boom on hondata running full e85. As far as I know those two guys were tuned too not just on a basemap by a known Hondata tuner. Not worth the risk to me at the moment, so I am happy with an e35 blend on Ktuner and the TSP Stg2 OTS tune.
Actually no, haven't gotten much info yet. I appreciate the reply, however by these two people, if we're thinking bout the same ones, they had custom tunes where their TQ was above 350 and HP also, if so, I spoke to one of them and said the cause was because the Engines Rods being so thin and not capable of handling more than 300 and some pounds of TQ. Or who were you talking bout? I'm sure they don't mind being brought up, it's all just to educate ourselves and prevent the same outcome for our builds.
 

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There’s not enough injection window for full E85 hence people run meth with Eblend. Others will need to eait for port injection kits to come out to use full E
What are the benefits running meth with ethanol? Haven't really looked into methkits.
 

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Actually no, haven't gotten much info yet. I appreciate the reply, however by these two people, if we're thinking bout the same ones, they had custom tunes where their TQ was above 350 and HP also, if so, I spoke to one of them and said the cause was because the Engines Rods being so thin and not capable of handling more than 300 and some pounds of TQ. Or who were you talking bout? I'm sure they don't mind being brought up, it's all just to educate ourselves and prevent the same outcome for our builds.
Looks like these engines give up after torque passes 350wtq. To be safe I wouldn't go higher than 325wtq (normal reading dyno). You can get a better turbo with more top end so you can achieve more whp and keep wtq not higher than 325. All depends on the stock fuel system limits.

 

 
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