Magic Collar Subframe Collars

[OverRev]

Some would think the subframe won’t move but it’s not. Just Like the alignment bolts, if you hit a pot hole or bumps hard enough they would move. I track my cars and do alignment adjustment quiet often since we have the machine. By installing these spacers they centre all the bolts btw chassis and subframe, next time when you do alignment you could eliminate the subframe misalignment. For Honda, our car is just bolted together by robots without proper subframe alignment. At our Honda dealership, over 30% of “new cars” fail alignment when we do PDI, but of cus most customer don’t/can’t even feel the difference and believe the new car is simply “perfect” but it’s definitely not.

For galvanic corrosion some worry about. If you have bare steel and aluminum joined together yes that could occur. But both the chassis and subframe are coated, if you worry you can paint the collars too. The grease is there so you can position the collars easier, not for corrosion protection I believe.

Frankly if Magic Collars are specialized in manufacturing these spacers, I am sure they would have better or equal quality as Spoon since spoon do not manufacture any of these collars in house anyways. and most machine shop could have aluminum milled to under 0.05mm precision easily.

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[fkturboindo]

I have. A set of the magic rigid collars front and back for the type R for sale.

PM me

Is it fit to Civic Hatchback 1.5 Turbo?

 

[OverRev]

Installed the collar kits today, it’s a straight forward 2hrs install. They are very similar to the spoon ones but a like 0.5-1mm thicker after side by side comparison ( and they filled up holes even better. Mu subframes were totally misaligned from factory, 50% of holes are off centre, some were off by as much as 2-3mm. The improved rigidity can definitely be felt thru the vibration from the engine and very noticeable when taking angle thru speed bumps. This kit is made for regular civic specifically for type R, still fit but bottom collar for the the rear most location of the front kit, needs to go between the subframe and the body brace, which is not shown in the instruction.

 

[Lust]

Let me chime in by saying this IS NOT snake oil. The tolerance between the bolt and subframe holes are massive and this gives it a “hand built” type of tolerance. Sub frame centering is also important for suspension tuning. I immediately felt a difference over bumps as they were much less jarring.

My subframe was way off center and the magic collars helped with that along with adding a little bit better steering feel plus better absorption of bumps

 

[ayau]

Let me chime in by saying this IS NOT snake oil. The tolerance between the bolt and subframe holes are massive and this gives it a “hand built” type of tolerance. Sub frame centering is also important for suspension tuning. I immediately felt a difference over bumps as they were much less jarring.

My subframe was way off center and the magic collars helped with that along with adding a little bit better steering feel plus better absorption of bumps

The dozen or so other suspension component tolerances will also affect the alignment. These subframe collars will essentially lock the subframe in place. Since many cars don't have camber/caster adjustments, shifting the subframe may be the only solution to "center" the alignment numbers.

 

[Lust]

The dozen or so other suspension component tolerances will also affect the alignment. These subframe collars will essentially lock the subframe in place. Since many cars don't have camber/caster adjustments, shifting the subframe may be the only solution to "center" the alignment numbers.

Eventually I’ll be moving to full spherical here soon. Hoping to work with RV6. I’m going to inquire about making more front suspension parts

 

[ayau]

Eventually I’ll be moving to full spherical here soon. Hoping to work with RV6. I’m going to inquire about making more front suspension parts

I'm waiting for more companies to offer a slotted front lower ball joint for additional front camber. Right now Hardrace and Js Racing are the only 2 companies. Seems like only Hardrace can be bought in the US. I know Evasive is currently testing their version and should be available to purchase in a few months.

 

[Lust]

I'm waiting for more companies to offer a slotted front lower ball joint for additional front camber. Right now Hardrace and Js Racing are the only 2 companies. Seems like only Hardrace can be bought in the US. I know Evasive is currently testing their version and should be available to purchase in a few months.

Meh. I'm more worried about suspension geometry at the moment as well as alignment retainment. Eventually I'm going to get JRZs which will solve the not enough camber problem

 

[Tuxedo]

I have the Magic Collars on my Type R. Very simple and effective - they visibly eliminate the gaps around the subframe bolts. I have zero complaints.

do you still have them? how have they held up

 

[davemarco]

do you still have them? how have they held up

No issue. I mean, they're basically crush washers, so assuming that the subframe bolts are torqued correctly, they shouldn't really be going anywhere.

 

[Bannon]

After reading about it here. I, finally went to have it installed by the seller.

Very noticeable difference when going thru bumpy/uneven roads fast. Car don't hop left and right like it used to anymore. That is my main complain, now solved.

I don't know if it's my imagination or the steering is sharper and car felt more stable. I am running on stock suspension.

 

[Centripetal]

Finally got around to installing them recently and wow. I have a lift and air tools so the most difficult part was the plastic clips holding splash guard in. Every single one must have been filled with the ground up rock the rotors like to grind down.

Yeah, it’s a little off.

A tip for the rear. Remove the 12mm bolt and detach the wire clip and hold back to give you some space so you don’t wreck the wires.

I was surprised the car still drives straight. If anyone had an alignment afterwards, I’d be interested in the before and after.
As other’s have said, it really improves the handling.

 

[Jotun]

I'm waiting for more companies to offer a slotted front lower ball joint for additional front camber. Right now Hardrace and Js Racing are the only 2 companies. Seems like only Hardrace can be bought in the US. I know Evasive is currently testing their version and should be available to purchase in a few months.

Megan and Hardrace are the same units. I just received my set in the mail yesterday. Same as Hardrace but not sold out everywhere and is stamped Megan Racing.

 

[ApexEight]

Megan and Hardrace are the same units. I just received my set in the mail yesterday. Same as Hardrace but not sold out everywhere and is stamped Megan Racing.

Got a link for the Megan ball joints?

 

[Jotun]

Got a link for the Megan ball joints?

I grabbed mine from Ebay but here is a shop link as well...

https://www.buildfastcar.com/produc...UrLBq_cw1HJVQsajp3b18IeKoR0_RZ8RoC3sQQAvD_BwE

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