Is there an upcoming 2018 Civic Si?

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not true it is the same engine and has already been confirmed buy Honda. This is just a marketing tool to draw consumers on the "Vtec"
It's got dual VTC (Variable Timing Control). It is a form of VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and lift Electronically Controlled). Instead of valve lift, it's being done by advancing the camshafts. Technically it should be 1.5L DVTC Turbo.

On the other hand, the Type R does have lift, therefor, traditional VTEC.
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"Honda' s VTEC TURBO realizes high fuel economy and exhilarating power through three vital technologies: Dual VTC for Intake and Exhaust, Direct Injection System and High Tumble Intake Port, and Highly-responsive Turbocharger with Electronic Wastegate." - http://world.honda.com/automobile-technology/vtec-turbo/page2/

Perhaps Honda received enough criticism over the lack of "VTEC" that they decided to recycle the name for a different technology.

According to Honda, VTEC stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control, which should be VVTLEC, no? I guess that was too many letters that didn't flow easily, so they removed the "L" that represented "lift" and one of the "Vs" that represented either "variable" or "valve". All engines have "variable timing" and "valve timing", but not all engines have "variable valve timing". GM appropriately calls their variable valve timing system "VVT".

So, VTEC could also stand for Variable Timing Electronic Control, but more appropriately, Valve Timing Electronic Control which would apply to the 1.5L turbo engine because it does indeed have electronically-controlled valve timing - it's just called "(Dual) VTC" here which stands for Variable Timing Control, but engine timing has long been variable and even though Honda's "VTC" applies to a variable valve timing technology.

I get why Honda didn't use the word "VTEC" because those letters historically referred to a valve timing system that also controls lift and one that switched cam lobes as a specific RPM as opposed to one that was continuously variable like VTC even though control valve timing only and not lift.

Blah, blah, blah... Honda might as well have left the "VTEC" and should have just changed what those letters stood for rather than what they actually mean and we could have avoided all this mess. Oh, wait, no we couldn't - we'd now be whining about why the 2017 Si had a VTEC sticker on it when it isn't VTEC. Or is it? ;)
 


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I wish Honda could use a dual clutch from their Acura lineup on the Type R, if not the MMC Si or they could create a new trim between the Si and Type R!
 

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Will sensing be available in the 2018 SI?
 

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"Honda' s VTEC TURBO realizes high fuel economy and exhilarating power through three vital technologies: Dual VTC for Intake and Exhaust, Direct Injection System and High Tumble Intake Port, and Highly-responsive Turbocharger with Electronic Wastegate." - http://world.honda.com/automobile-technology/vtec-turbo/page2/

Perhaps Honda received enough criticism over the lack of "VTEC" that they decided to recycle the name for a different technology.

According to Honda, VTEC stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control, which should be VVTLEC, no? I guess that was too many letters that didn't flow easily, so they removed the "L" that represented "lift" and one of the "Vs" that represented either "variable" or "valve". All engines have "variable timing" and "valve timing", but not all engines have "variable valve timing". GM appropriately calls their variable valve timing system "VVT".

So, VTEC could also stand for Variable Timing Electronic Control, but more appropriately, Valve Timing Electronic Control which would apply to the 1.5L turbo engine because it does indeed have electronically-controlled valve timing - it's just called "(Dual) VTC" here which stands for Variable Timing Control, but engine timing has long been variable and even though Honda's "VTC" applies to a variable valve timing technology.

I get why Honda didn't use the word "VTEC" because those letters historically referred to a valve timing system that also controls lift and one that switched cam lobes as a specific RPM as opposed to one that was continuously variable like VTC even though control valve timing only and not lift.

Blah, blah, blah... Honda might as well have left the "VTEC" and should have just changed what those letters stood for rather than what they actually mean and we could have avoided all this mess. Oh, wait, no we couldn't - we'd now be whining about why the 2017 Si had a VTEC sticker on it when it isn't VTEC. Or is it? ;)
And people still cry because they want VTEC in the new cars but don't actually know what it is.
 

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I'll the the first to admit, VTEC was "in" while I was still driving my EvoX. I'm new to the Honda game completely. However, it is my understanding that VTEC gave you gave you a little increase of power in the higher rpms and a high redline. I remember all my friends praising the 8th gen. It is my understanding that the 9th gen had an even lower redline.

Fast forward to today. I'm not in my 20s anymore. I'm not going to be screaming down the highway near redline anyway. I've owned fast cars and just want something reliable, manual, and good mpgs. When I was doing my shopping, the first thing that caught my eye was the mpg people were posting. Then, I saw the turbo spooling at 2100 rpm after a quick flash with ktuner. That low end torque is absolutely insane. I didn't even begin to spool in my EvoX until 3400+rpm. As soon as you are in 2nd gear in the 10th gen, you are ready to fly.

Also the the gearbox is naturally one of the best in the market. And it is a Honda. Pricing should be a lot cheaper on repairs/parts over my BMW335xi. That is a tradeoff I am willing to make. The lack of a volume button isn't a dealbreaker for me.

I also prefer not to have Honda Sensing. I am the one paying attention to what I am doing. I don't want the car doing it for me. The only thing I see good in the Sensing package is adaptive cruise control. But I am willing to make that tradeoff. I don't want the car automatically braking for me. That is the weirdest feeling in the world. Also radar detectors go crazy when a "sensing" car is around. At least my valentine and passport escort do.
 
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Also radar detectors go crazy when a "Sensing" car is around. At least my valentine and passport escort do.
Yeah, Valentines really hate sensing features, adaptive cruise control especially. I'm pretty sure my buddy sent his in to get it updated so it'll ignore most adaptive cruise controls and from what he says, it worked pretty well.
 


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Also radar detectors go crazy when a "sensing" car is around. At least my valentine and passport escort do.
Good. That explains why I see the hoods of so many oncoming cars dive towards the pavement when I'm driving my Ridgeline. ;)

I also prefer not to have Honda Sensing. I am the one paying attention to what I am doing. I don't want the car doing it for me. The only thing I see good in the Sensing package is adaptive cruise control. But I am willing to make that tradeoff. I don't want the car automatically braking for me. That is the weirdest feeling in the world.
It is strange, but the first time it saves your ass because you're human and don't pay attention 100% of the time, you'll gain a whole new appreciation for it. I certainly did. I grew up on wheels and have decades of experience between my ears in all sorts of situation. I consider myself a much-better-than-average driver, but all humans make mistakes.
 

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Good. That explains why I see the hoods of so many oncoming cars dive towards the pavement when I'm driving my Ridgeline. ;)
It is strange, but the first time it saves your ass because you're human and don't pay attention 100% of the time, you'll gain a whole new appreciation for it. I certainly did. I grew up on wheels and have decades of experience between my ears in all sorts of situation. I consider myself a much-better-than-average driver, but all humans make mistakes.
Ever crawl in nyc traffic and had sensing stall you out because you were too close and were in 2nd?
 

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I wish Honda could use a dual clutch from their Acura lineup on the Type R, if not the MMC Si or they could create a new trim between the Si and Type R!
Probably not the Type R, but Honda has tested a 1.5T/8DCT drivetrain in a Civic, and I assume we'll see this drivetrain in the next Acura ILX. Even though I love MT, I agree the Type R and Si should be available with some type of automatic, preferably a DCT, and especially in the Si due to its higher volume and attainability. Not everybody has full use of both legs, including some veterans, and they should be able to enjoy Honda's best.
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