hondabuildquality
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Can you actually hear the turbo spool at all with this intake? I know it's early, but what about fuel economy boost? Notice anything?I have it installed and personally can feel a difference in power, there's just an extra kick that wasn't there before but im not an expert just letting you know my experience, might be all in my head for all I know, but I feel the difference.
There is really no "air intake" warranty. If they think it caused a failure to other parts (most likely engine) you are screwed. Say it sucked up some water and hydrolocked the engine, they will surly not cover you for that.Would adding this void the entire warranty or just the air intake warranty?
CAI intakes could get you anywhere from -5hp to like 30+ lolI just don't understand why they are claiming a +29HP and +25T? By reading the Dyno only shows 5hp gain and by my experience installing CAI in all my vehicles the norm is between +5-7hp, the highest I have seen was on my M5 with the Dinan Box +14hp Dyno tested.
Ready my first couple posts for a full explanation on this. If you subtract the very peak #s produced by each before and after runs, it's not an accurate comparison. You need to compare how much power is being made a the same RPM under full throttle.I just don't understand why they are claiming a +29HP and +25T? By reading the Dyno only shows 5hp gain and by my experience installing CAI in all my vehicles the norm is between +5-7hp, the highest I have seen was on my M5 with the Dinan Box +14hp Dyno tested.
Another big question I haven't seen answered is why peak power comes so far after redline on the stock run.I just don't understand why they are claiming a +29HP and +25T? By reading the Dyno only shows 5hp gain and by my experience installing CAI in all my vehicles the norm is between +5-7hp, the highest I have seen was on my M5 with the Dinan Box +14hp Dyno tested.
You are pretty much showing your misunderstanding of the dyno graph here. As it has been stated, several times already in this thread, just comparing the HP #'s at redline are not a true indication of the improvements of performance across the entire power band. If the HP line of the stock run and the run with the intake overlapped each other perfectly, then the intake line pulled away at the very end to give it a 5hp increase at redline, then the intake would be pretty much useless. The real improvement here is the area under the curve as the original poster showed below highlighted in yellow. Injen did not just "arbitrarily pick a point on this graph". This is the point where you see the highest gain in power, hence the term "peak". Peak is referring to the point where the HP gains are the greatest, not at the end of the graph at redline. If you just compare the #'s at the redline, then you are totally missing the point. Would it make sense to pick the point at 4,250 rpms and compare them based solely on that difference? Of course not. They are trying to sell a product here, so it is kind of obvious that they will state the highest difference to show the potential. The area under the curve is what really matters and in this case indicates that there are very good gains throughout the power band which will equate to better performance at almost every single RPM. If you think it is a sham, then don't buy it. If you thinks it's too expensive, then dont buy it. For all of you worried about your warranty, just wait until you hit 36,000 miles (or whatever your warranty is) and then go crazy. If these numbers are legit and I had a '16 with the turbo, I would be strapping this thing on the day my warranty was up. That being said, I have no idea if the CVT has anything to do with the dyno #'s, but I wouldn't buy a car with a CVT any how. I'd be curious to see if these same numbers come up on the manual turbo.Another big question I haven't seen answered is why peak power comes so far after redline on the stock run.
Does the ECU let the CVT rev past redline? What's going on?
Another one. Why did they arbitrarily pick a point on this graph that just so happens to be the largest gap in horsepower between the two test runs? Why not compare the highest HP output of either of the two runs. Or why not just compare it to the highest HP output from the base run? Any of those points is more reasonable than just taking the largest gap between the two graphs.
Also, why does peak HP come at redline on the base run? Why not look into why the 1.5L turbo is rated at max HP @ 5500RPM and try to make sense of that with respect to what's going on with the test results here?
Since a lot of this doesn't make sense, why not just line up two 1.5l Civics and run them against each other? 29HP is a 17% increase. That's pretty significant and will yield substantial results, if true.
The answer to all these questions is this: Because they came here to sell something. They didn't come here to ask questions, or to enlighten us.
I would believe you can probably get 5HP out of this change. As a bonus, it also looks pretty cool under the hood. Just don't say you're getting 29 "scientifically proven" horsepower but that you don't know why or how. I think that is the reason why so many people are being critical here.
Anyone willing to make a wager with me over the 29HP claim?
You are pretty much showing your misunderstanding of the dyno graph here. As it has been stated, several times already in this thread, just comparing the HP #'s at redline are not a true indication of the improvements of performance across the entire power band. If the HP line of the stock run and the run with the intake overlapped each other perfectly, then the intake line pulled away at the very end to give it a 5hp increase at redline, then the intake would be pretty much useless. The real improvement here is the area under the curve as the original poster showed below highlighted in yellow. Injen did not just "arbitrarily pick a point on this graph". This is the point where you see the highest gain in power, hence the term "peak". Peak is referring to the point where the HP gains are the greatest, not at the end of the graph at redline. If you just compare the #'s at the redline, then you are totally missing the point. Would it make sense to pick the point at 4,250 rpms and compare them based solely on that difference? Of course not. They are trying to sell a product here, so it is kind of obvious that they will state the highest difference to show the potential. The area under the curve is what really matters and in this case indicates that there are very good gains throughout the power band which will equate to better performance at almost every single RPM. If you think it is a sham, then don't buy it. If you thinks it's too expensive, then dont buy it. For all of you worried about your warranty, just wait until you hit 36,000 miles (or whatever your warranty is) and then go crazy. If these numbers are legit and I had a '16 with the turbo, I would be strapping this thing on the day my warranty was up. That being said, I have no idea if the CVT has anything to do with the dyno #'s, but I wouldn't buy a car with a CVT any how. I'd be curious to see if these same numbers come up on the manual turbo.
No need to get butt-hurt because I pointed out some issues with your post. Here, I'll address your exact quotes directly:Wow, and no.
There are problems with dynoing a CVT and you should put some effort into understanding that... before you go throwing a blanket statement on someone that they don't understand anything about what they're talking about. You even said yourself that 'you have no idea how dyno'ing a CVT affects anything' in your post." I know you don't. I do know you also told me that I don't understand that either. Nice. That kind of behaviour is not productive.
So you're telling someone they have no idea what they're talking about, and you weren't able to respond directly to any point that they made. You should try to understand the issues people are raising, and then put some effort into understanding the problems I outlined in my post, and what others have said about dyno'ing a CVT. Then, you can respond to those issues directly, next time.
You also randomly started defending against the warranty claims issues.
To be frank with you, it's not that hard to understand the problems with dyno'ing a CVT. I'm sure most people can figure that out on their own, smart guy.
Yes area under the curve matters, that's true, and what you're doing is offering a straw man debate that takes attention away from the questions.
I don't know why you're so strongly advocating this product, or why you are so strongly defensive that you personally attack my intelligence, but that kind of behaviour would go hand-in-hand with people that would lie and manipulate in order to sell a product. I'm done with this thread.