Help me decide--2019 CTR or 2018 M2?

[drledford93]

M2 without a second thought

Care to explain for the rest of the class?

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[Barry]

Care to explain for the rest of the class?

Safety
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The M2 Competition has standard City Collision Mitigation, which use forward mounted sensors to warn the driver of a possible collision ahead. If the driver doesn’t react and the system determines a collision is imminent, it automatically applies the brakes at full-force in order to reduce the force of the crash or avoid it altogether. The Civic Type R doesn't offer collision warning or crash mitigation brakes.

The M2 Competition’s optional lane departure warning system alerts a temporarily inattentive driver when the vehicle begins to leave its lane. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer a lane departure warning system.
Both the M2 Competition and the Civic Type R have standard driver and passenger frontal airbags, front side-impact airbags, side-impact head airbags, front seatbelt pretensioners, plastic fuel tanks, four-wheel antilock brakes, traction control, electronic stability systems to prevent skidding, daytime running lights and rearview cameras.
The BMW M2 Competition weighs 483 to 538 pounds more than the Honda Civic Type R. The NHTSA advises that heavier cars are much safer in collisions than their significantly lighter counterparts. Crosswinds also affect lighter cars more.
Warranty
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The M2 Competition comes with a full 4-year/50,000-mile basic warranty, which covers the entire car and includes 24-hour roadside assistance. The Civic Type R’s 3-year/36,000-mile basic warranty expires 1 year and 14,000 miles sooner.

The M2 Competition’s corrosion warranty is 7 years longer than the Civic Type R’s (12 vs. 5 years).
BMW pays for scheduled maintenance on the M2 Competition for 3 years and 36,000 miles. BMW will pay for oil changes, lubrication and any other required maintenance. Honda doesn’t pay scheduled maintenance for the Civic Type R.
Reliability
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To reliably start during all conditions and help handle large electrical loads, the M2 Competition has a standard 900-amp battery. The Civic Type R’s 500-amp battery isn’t as powerful.
The battery on the M2 Competition is in the trunk, which protects it from hot underhood temperatures which can degrade battery life. By keeping the M2 Competition’s battery 20 to 30 degrees cooler, its life is increased by years. The Civic Type R’s battery is in the hot engine compartment.
J.D. Power and Associates’ 2018 Initial Quality Study of new car owners surveyed provide the statistics that show that BMW vehicles are better in initial quality than Honda vehicles. J.D. Power ranks BMW 11th in initial quality, above the industry average. With 15 more problems per 100 vehicles, Honda is ranked 23rd, below the industry average.
J.D. Power and Associates’ 2018 survey of the owners of three-year-old vehicles provides the long-term dependability statistics that show that BMW vehicles are more reliable than Honda vehicles. J.D. Power ranks BMW 8th in reliability, above the industry average. With 13 more problems per 100 vehicles, Honda is ranked 12th.

From surveys of all its subscribers, Consumer Reports’ April 2018 Auto Issue reports that BMW vehicles are more reliable than Honda vehicles. Consumer Reports ranks BMW 4 places higher in reliability than Honda.
Engine
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The M2 Competition’s 3.0 turbo 6 cyl. produces 99 more horsepower (405 vs. 306) and 111 lbs.-ft. more torque (406 vs. 295) than the Civic Type R’s 2.0 turbo 4 cyl.
Fuel Economy and Range
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Regenerative brakes improve the M2 Competition’s fuel efficiency by converting inertia back into energy instead of wasting it. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer a regenerative braking system.
In heavy traffic or at stoplights the M2 Competition’s engine automatically turns off when the vehicle is stopped, saving fuel and reducing pollution. The engine is automatically restarted when the driver gets ready to move again. (Start/Stop isn’t accounted in present EPA fuel mileage tests.) The Civic Type R doesn’t offer an automatic engine start/stop system.
The M2 Competition has 1.3 gallons more fuel capacity than the Civic Type R (13.7 vs. 12.4 gallons), for longer range between fill-ups.
Transmission
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The M2 Competition offers an optional automatic transmission, for driver comfort, especially in the city. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer an automatic transmission.

The M2 Competition offers an optional sequential manual gearbox (SMG). With no clutch pedal to worry about and a fully automatic mode, an SMG is much more efficient than a conventional automatic but just as easy to drive. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer an SMG.
Brakes and Stopping
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For better stopping power the M2 Competition’s brake rotors are larger than those on the Civic Type R:

	M2 Competition	Civic Type R
Front Rotors	15.7 inches	13.8 inches
Rear Rotors	15 inches	12 inches

The M2 Competition’s standard front and rear disc brakes are vented to help dissipate heat for shorter stops with less fading. The rear discs on the Civic Type R are solid, not vented.
Tires and Wheels
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For better traction and acceleration, the M2 Competition has larger rear tires than the Civic Type R (265/35R19 vs. 245/30R20).
Suspension and Handling
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The M2 Competition has standard front and rear gas-charged shocks for better control over choppy roads. The Civic Type R’s suspension doesn’t offer gas-charged shocks.
The M2 Competition’s front to rear weight distribution is more even (51.9% to 48.1%) than the Civic Type R’s (61.8% to 38.2%). This gives the M2 Competition more stable handling and braking.
For better maneuverability, the M2 Competition’s turning circle is 1.1 feet tighter than the Civic Type R’s (38.4 feet vs.
39.5 feet).
Chassis
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The M2 Competition is 3.2 inches shorter than the Civic Type R, making the M2 Competition easier to handle, maneuver and park in tight spaces.
Cargo Capacity
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With its coupe body style, valet key, locking rear seatbacks and remote trunk release lockout, the M2 Competition offers cargo security. The Civic Type R’s hatchback body style and non-lockable remote release defeat cargo security.

A standard locking glovebox (which can’t be accessed with the valet key) keeps your small valuables safer in the M2 Competition. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer locking storage for small valuables.
Servicing Ease
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The M2 Competition uses gas struts to support the hood for easier service access. The Civic Type R uses a prop rod to support its heavy hood. It takes two hands to open the hood and set the prop rod, the prop rod gets in the way during maintenance and service, and the prop rod could be knocked out, causing the heavy hood to fall on the person maintaining or servicing the car.
The engine in the M2 Competition is mounted longitudinally (North-South), instead of sideways, as in the Civic Type R. This makes it easier to service and maintain, because the accessory belts are in front.
J.D. Power and Associates surveys of service recipients show that BMW service is better than Honda. J.D. Power ranks BMW 8th in service department satisfaction (above the industry average). With a 48% lower rating, Honda is ranked 25th.
Ergonomics
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When two different drivers share the M2 Competition, the memory system makes it convenient for both. Each setting activates different, customized memories for the driver’s seat position, outside mirror angle, climate settings and radio stations. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer a memory system.
The M2 Competition’s rain-sensitive wipers adjust their speed and turn on and off automatically based on the amount of rainfall on the windshield. This allows the driver to concentrate on driving without constantly adjusting the wipers. The Civic Type R’s manually variable intermittent wipers have to be constantly adjusted.
While driving with high beams on, sensitive light sensors available for the M2 Competition detect other vehicles which could be blinded and automatically switch to low beams. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer automatic dimming high beams.
To help drivers avoid possible obstacles, the M2 Competition has standard cornering lights to illuminate around corners when the turn signals are activated. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer cornering lights. The M2 Competition also offers optional adaptive headlights to illuminate around corners automatically by reading vehicle speed and steering wheel angle.
When the M2 Competition is put in reverse, the passenger rearview mirror tilts from its original position. This gives the driver a better view of the curb during parallel parking maneuvers. Shifting out of reverse puts the mirror into its original position. The Civic Type R’s mirror doesn’t automatically adjust for backing.
The M2 Competition has standard automatic dimming rear and side view mirrors which automatically darken quickly when headlights shine on them, keeping following vehicles from blinding or distracting the driver. The Civic Type R offers an automatic rear view mirror, but its side mirrors don’t dim.
On extremely cold winter days, the M2 Competition’s optional heated steering wheel provides comfort, allowing the driver to steer safely and comfortably before the car heater warms up. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer a heated steering wheel.
Both the M2 Competition and the Civic Type R offer rear vents. For greater rear passenger comfort, the M2 Competition has standard rear air conditioning vents to keep rear occupants cool in summer or warm in winter. The Civic Type R doesn’t offer rear air conditioning vents, only heat vents.

Racing- The type R shines on the track but how much people goes to track and race there type r? Your most likely to be challenging on the road which will be straight line and the type does not perform in straight line well at all where as the M2 would annihilate.

 

[TheTurk203]

I got a nice 2019 type r for sale.

 

[drledford93]

Absolutely no constructive input. Thanks for trying!

 

[Barry]

Absolutely no constructive input. Thanks for trying!

What makes you happy grandpa

 

[drledford93]

First, an '18 is NOT an M2C. Second, that was very basic and opinionated material disguised as impartial. Third, you have no reason for your opinion, grandma.

 

[Barry]

First, an '18 is NOT an M2C. Second, that was very basic and opinionated material disguised as impartial. Third, you have no reason for your opinion, grandma.

Weak

 

[Salespunk]

Thank you so much for that comparison. That gives me a reference point I was missing. Do you think it is all down to the Max Perf Summer tires? Or, is it the overall handling, as evidenced by similar handling on all seasons/winter tires?

If that question was directed at me, it is the handling balance of the respective vehicles.

 

[Frackz]

Honestly my friend both are amazing drivers car. You cant go wrong with either.

I have driven both ... and love both. honestly make it easier on yourself and just break it down to smaller points. I never saw myself owning a bmw but i enjoyed it enough i have recently started looking into getting a 2021 Supra. I test drove a 2020 and it felt like a m2 to me but better.

1. Do you want more FWD or RWD?
2. Do you want 2 or 4 doors ?
3. M2 does have the option of a DCT.. or do you want manual.

# out of 3.. greater number wins.

Myself I have a Type R & Audi RS3

I use the Type R Daily.

 

[ToofHurts]

M2 is in another league. And it should be. It's a 50-60k car. CTR is 35k. CTR is 4 doors and a hatch back. It works perfectly for me and my family with my 13 month old. No issues with her car seat and stroller in the hatch.

So yeah the 50-60k car is better than the 35k car. Both are amazing. Just how much you want to spend. Under 40k - not much can beat the CTR (in my opinion). But if you have the funds to spend - the M2.

 

[DeftSalmon]

"From surveys of all its subscribers, Consumer Reports’ April 2018 Auto Issue reports that BMW vehicles are more reliable than Honda vehicles. Consumer Reports ranks BMW 4 places higher in reliability than Honda. "

I gotta say that this made my day. People may have different experiences with their vehicles but my BMW friends have waaaay more issues than my Honda friends. (though my buddies 2008 bmw 335xi has been absolutely bulletproof)

...I won't talk about my Subi friends...they too hard on their cars.

Edit for OP.......CTR is more versatile, IMO

 

[drledford93]

About reliability, from my experience, there is a direct relationship between how hard you are on a car (mods, anyone?) and the reliability. Any make.

 

[AdamD19DFK8]

CTR is really easy to drive fast. Lift off/trail brake through a turn, you can get on the throttle pretty early half way through. Stiffen up the rear and you can rotate easier. In stock form it carries tons of speed through turns. It took me awhile to actually find the limit as I wasn't sure how fast I could actually go, mainly because I couldn't believe the car was sticking to the road this fast. Understeer is there, but I've mainly only really noticed it on low speed very tight turns. The rear brakes will help a lot with that automatically after it understeers.

From watching people's reviews of the m2 it seems to over steer very easily. In Matt Farah's track review he was pretty annoyed by how heavy it felt and that it slid all over the place. Though if you're not planning to track it then that doesn't matter much.

Not sure on how easy it is to add power to the m2, but the FK8 is stupid expensive for a little gain.

Don't really have a suggestion to what to actually get because I'd be biased towards the type r. Though I know it's easier to drive fast and less butt clenching on very tight twisty roads

 

[NoelPR]

Myself I have a Type R & Audi RS3

And just like that you became the most hated person of the internet.
I'm the #1 hater.

 

[sean465]

Over here in the land of tea and cricket, a forum chap had the type r, went to a 2018 non comp M2 and is now back in a Type r.

He loved the m2 but said "driving home in the wet, it was always a gamble if you were going to make it home alive.' (It rains a lot here). He said Type r is more useable all year round, is more predictable, gives more confidence and is not that much slower on a twisting road

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