Greeting from MeisterR Suspension. Coilovers in development.

[MeisterR]

Hello everyone,

My name is Jerrick and I am from MeisterR.
MeisterR is a suspension specialist from UK, and we recently just expended to the USA.
Our main product is adjustable coilovers suspension designed for fast road and track day use.

We started in 2008, and have been growing ever since.
We had very strong root with Honda since our beginning, especially with the Civic community.
Expanding to the USA means a whole new market for us, especially for new car model such as the CivicX.

So I just want to join into the community, say hello.

And yes, we are developing coilovers for the CivicX platform.
The 1.5T engine is one of the most exciting offering from Honda for a long time, so we can't wait to get going with this chassis.

Here is a picture of our suspension, and a few cars who have been using them.

If anyone have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
I am always happy to help out.

Jerrick

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[bartman201]

I'm dying to get some coilovers for my car. Do you have an ETA for the coilovers?

 

[MeisterR]

I'm dying to get some coilovers for my car. Do you have an ETA for the coilovers?

We are in the final stage, so we will get a set over just to do all the final checks before mass production.
If you are interested, I can work something out for you.

Jerrick

 

[biffosaur]

We are in the final stage, so we will get a set over just to do all the final checks before mass production.
If you are interested, I can work something out for you.

Jerrick

Who's doing your manufacturing?

 

[bartman201]

We are in the final stage, so we will get a set over just to do all the final checks before mass production.
If you are interested, I can work something out for you.

Jerrick

Yes I'm interested just let me know. Thank you

 

[MeisterR]

Who's doing your manufacturing?

It depends on which suspension we are talking about.
All of MeisterR suspension are engineered in our UK workshop with our in house R&D technical partner Black Art Design (B.A.D.)

Our ZetaCRD coilovers are manufactured oversea to MeisterR specification.
The CRD damper valving are engineered by us, the suspension specification are engineered by us, and our locking collars are engineered by us and have a UK patent pending status.
Non-disclosure agreement mean we cannot go into details of the production's who and where, but all stock are spot checked by us in our UK / USA workshop to ensure quality control of our build specification.

Our GT1 coilovers could be classed as manufactured in the UK, but it is a grey area as every country have their own rules for classification of country of origin.
All the internals of the GT1 are CNC in house, and we are one of the few company in the suspension world that have ability to CNC our own seals.
The GT1 coilovers are hand build in the UK / USA workshop and are a collaboration between MeisterR and B.A.D.

Hope that helps, it is a simple questions with a complex answer.
As many feel suspension that are manufactured in the same place are the same, but most time suspension are not created equal; especially when you have your own R&D department like MeisterR.

Jerrick

 

[enufced904]

This is great Jerrick! Thanks for joining and informing us! This may be a silly question, but can you advise if the suspension components will also be suitable for the 2.0L? I have not done much research to know if there is a vast difference between the suspension for the FC1 and FC2.

 

[ChrisR16]

Interested in a timeframe as well as any other details as they emerge. I've got a new set of wheels but I won't put them on until I've got coilovers so I can go a bit lower. I'm ready for a set of coilovers for my touring!

 

[MeisterR]

This is great Jerrick! Thanks for joining and informing us! This may be a silly question, but can you advise if the suspension components will also be suitable for the 2.0L? I have not done much research to know if there is a vast difference between the suspension for the FC1 and FC2.

Generally speaking there are very minor difference in weight, especially if both engine are petrol (gasoline)
If it is a diesel engine, then the weight difference can be significant, but it isn't an offering in the USA so it makes life easier.
Otherwise, you won't see much difference in chassis or suspension design base on engine / trim differences.

In terms of mounting point difference, Honda historically like to throw curve ball by changing the bolt size.
Generally speaking, performance model use a thicker bolt (EP3, FN2) while the non-performance model use a thinner bolt (EP2, FN1), etc.
We already designed a step reducer in the previous model to help adapt this change, so it will fit correctly for either model.
But that isn't something I will know until I start getting to work with the chassis a little more, as sometime Honda like to make little changes for different region as well.

But one way or an other, I'll get something to fit the 2.0 as well as the 1.5T; I am sure the changes is small but I always want to pay attention to the small details.

Jerrick

 

[MeisterR]

Interested in a timeframe as well as any other details as they emerge. I've got a new set of wheels but I won't put them on until I've got coilovers so I can go a bit lower. I'm ready for a set of coilovers for my touring!

Let me see if I can pull a set of two out of prototype, I can probably rush one over in 2 to 3 weeks time but no promises. (Don't like making promises I cannot keep)
But mass production will take a little longer, as I can't give the green light until I am happy with the prototype.

So if anyone is interested, and want to get coilovers on quick and give me some feedback.
I'll be happy to work something out.

Also, while I am here... anyone interested in Enkei wheels let me know.
I am the UK Enkei wheels distributor so we have a very good relationship with Enkei... and it is one of my favourite wheel brand.

Jerrick

 

[CivicMichael]

@MeisterR Could you give a basic overview of what advantages and disadvantages coilovers would provide over the stock Honda suspension? I'm new to the modding scene but I'd like to learn.

 

[Balto]

@MeisterR Could you give a basic overview of what advantages and disadvantages coilovers would provide over the stock Honda suspension? I'm new to the modding scene but I'd like to learn.

I would Iike to know as well. I'm not looking to drop my car at all due to not wanting neg/pos camber, but a beefier, more responsive set of coil overs would very much so interest me.

 

[MeisterR]

While a lot of people look at coilovers as ride height control, the biggest advantage is vehicle dynamic control if you ask me.

A standard Honda suspension have to be a huge list of compromise.
As nothing is adjustable, the engineers are trying to hit as many of their potential target customer as possible.
So you generally get something "in the middle", not too soft and comfortable, not too hard and responsive.
Sometime they get it right, most of the time I find OEM suspension end up leaning toward hard and uncomfortable, but unresponsive.
You will find those if the suspension are "tuned on Nurburgring", which is something I hate with a royal passion.

So coilovers... what does it do over standard suspension?

Compete ride height control is one, which is great because you can have your car sit how you like it.
No one need their car scrapping on the ground, but at the same time no one want their sport cars looking like a 4x4.
Coilovers mean you can get the car sitting where YOU like it, not in hope that it sit how you like it that is common with lowering springs.
You don't have to worry about sitting too high, sitting too low, or the back end sitting lower than the front (rear rake does not look good... EVER).

The second and the most important one, and the heart of the entire coilovers is the adjustable dampers (shocks).
The damping adjustment is what this is all about, with a turn of a knob you can adjust the suspension stiffness.
What that mean is you can achieve the best of both world (something that the Honda engineers wasn't allow to do), because you can have the suspension soft and comfortable for your daily usage.
But stiff and responsive for those occasional track days, auto solo, mountain run, etc.
Pop the hood and make adjustments, it will take no more than a minute or two.

This allows you to have control of how you like the car to feel like.
Some people like it stiff, other like it soft, and everyone have different preference.
This is why that adjustments is so important, because it allows the driver to take control of the car's dynamic.

Another important difference is the actual damper.
Honda generally use twin-tube damper (same as most OEM manufacturer bar the top end performance model).
It isn't a bad thing, but a twin-tube damper is a cheaper mass production damper design, and it is cost over performance.

MeisterR coilovers use a Mono-tube damper, and these are more performance based damper.
They provide better damping response, better durability, and better consistency under hard usage.
Most OEM will use mono-tube on their performance model, things like Evolution, WRX STi, the old Honda Civic / Integra Type-R.

One thing to note is that MeisterR is a "performance" suspension manufacturer, so our coilovers aren't going to give you a Rolls Royce ride.
(Our technical parter actually make dampers for Rolls Royce, so we know. )
A performance damper should be complaint and responsive.
It won't super soft so you feel isolated from the road, but at the same time it shouldn't be rock solid.
So that mean you should be able to enjoy your car when driving, and don't feel like you been battered after driving on the freeway for an hour.

This might turn into a bit of a long read, but rather provide more complete information and lacking.
If anyone have any questions, just let me know. Always happy to help.

Jerrick

 

[Balto]

Thank you Jerrick, that was an extremely insightful answer. I now have added yet another mod to my 'wish list' of things to do to my civic!

 

[CivicMichael]

@MeisterR Thanks for the in-depth reply! Sounds intriguing. So is adjusting the softness of the ride and the ride hight something that an average consumer could do on their own? - i.e. doesn't require special tools or expertise and doesn't require us to take anything apart?

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