Finally Test Drove a Type R - Comparisons

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Same engine, trans, different tuning and I think a smaller turbo. It's tuned for 87 octane while the CTR is tuned for 91
This is simply not true regarding the engine. Initial reports, like the Car and Driver article from Oct 2017 titled " a tale of two 2 liters", indicated they were similar:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...our-in-hondas-new-accord-and-the-civic-type-r

However, it later came out that the engine designs and related systems were different even though they have similar architecture: https://jalopnik.com/heres-exactly-what-makes-the-2018-honda-accord-and-civi-1820164645

Key differences are below (with the most obvious being the fuel system and turbocharger which will limit power potential):
Pistons
Connecting Rods
Cams
Intake Valves
Intake Manifolds
Oil Pumps
Fuel system
Turbo charger and related items
Other little things here and there

I also think I read somewhere the head design is slightly different (more tumbling effect for the R I think?) but I could be mistaken

Also Accord 2.0 sport doesn't get an LSD, so drive train is different as well.





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Type R is closer to $15k difference with dealer discounts on Si and Dealer mark ups on R. Obviously, the msrp is right at $10k difference. Cost of ownership is going to be more, but depreciation on the Si will cost you more - we will call it a wash. Spending over $5k in mods on an Si to perform like an R seems silly, but still much cheaper than buying an R. You can have just as much fun in either car, but my guess is the Type R creates a little bigger grin. I'm not sure if the Type R would have been the car of choice if I was looking to spend $35k, but I didn't think I was going to buy an Si when I was looking this time.

My guess - Si will be worth around $5k in 10 years and the Type R will probably be worth $25k in 10 years. Maybe I am totally off on my estimate, but look at EVOs. It really is apples and oranges comparing the 2. Enjoy the car you have, and test drive as many cars as you can. Buy the ones you like the most.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I saw a 1999 stock Si sell for $24K on bring your own trailer. It had low miles and was very clean, but damn. But you are probably right
 

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Not entirely true. The Si out handles the way more expensive Golf R stock for stock with the Si pulling .97 and the Golf R .95 on a skidpad according to car and driver.

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I was referring to a drag race. I saw a 2018 Civic Si VS GTI video on The Fast Lane Car and the GTI was a second faster on the same track:
 

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Lap times only give some indication of how cars compare on the road. You are not driving at 9 or 10/10ths on the road.

Stock Si cannot keep up with stock GTI on the road. The low-end torque advantage is too much for the Si to overcome. If GTI has dual clutch, then game over.
 

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Lap times only give some indication of how cars compare on the road. You are not driving at 9 or 10/10ths on the road.

Stock Si cannot keep up with stock GTI on the road. The low-end torque advantage is too much for the Si to overcome. If GTI has dual clutch, then game over.
I would agree with you, that being said, I would take the Si over the GTI any day. As a previous VW enthusiast and owner a few VW's including the GTI, I like my car not being in the shop all the time, although I like the GTI interior and instrument layout much better
 

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Stock Si cannot keep up with stock GTI on the road. The low-end torque advantage is too much for the Si to overcome. If GTI has dual clutch, then game over.
Not true. There are so many things that go into speed than torque or hp numbers. Stock for stock, 6speed for 6speed, the Si and GTI are very close because of its power to weight ratio. The "can not keep up" statement is false. While the GTI would win most of the time in a drag and rolling race it isnt by much.
 

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258 lb-ft @1500RPM - the GTI will pull at normal road speeds more than the Si. Most light to light speeds will be between 30-50 MPH, not the 1/4 mile drag races. I didn't drive a GTI but did drive a Focus ST. The thrust from that is noticeably more than Si, although torque steer is horrible.
 

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258 lb-ft @1500RPM - the GTI will pull at normal road speeds more than the Si. Most light to light speeds will be between 30-50 MPH, not the 1/4 mile drag races. I didn't drive a GTI but did drive a Focus ST. The thrust from that is noticeably more than Si, although torque steer is horrible.
Well I've driven a brand new GTI and I can tell you that it didnt feel that much faster than my Si. In fact if I closed my eyes and my ears as a passenger I wouldnt know I was in a different car (sans the feel of the seats).
 

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Well I've driven a brand new GTI and I can tell you that it didnt feel that much faster than my Si. In fact if I closed my eyes and my ears as a passenger I wouldnt know I was in a different car (sans the feel of the seats).
I test drove a GTI several months before buying the Si. The DCT GTI felt noticeably faster off the line. It did not corner or handle as well tho.

Spotty reliability of VW pushed me over to Honda and I didn't mind saving a few thousand dollars either. With that said I really, really liked the GTI.

PS. Honestly all the cars in this range are great cars IMHO. I considered a WRX but didn't want to spend $31K. I test drove a Focus ST and that was great too with the exception of the torture rack seats. Sitting in the Ford's seat can't be much better than water boarding.
 
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. I saw a 1999 stock Si sell for $24K on bring your own trailer. It had low miles and was very clean, but damn. But you are probably right
24k for a 1999 si? thats so fucking stupid. i dont care if it had 15k miles on it, thats retarded.

now 24k for a 1999 integra type r with 20k miles on it... that would be slightly more understandable.
 
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258 lb-ft @1500RPM - the GTI will pull at normal road speeds more than the Si. Most light to light speeds will be between 30-50 MPH, not the 1/4 mile drag races. I didn't drive a GTI but did drive a Focus ST. The thrust from that is noticeably more than Si, although torque steer is horrible.
i test drove a 2017 gti amd the higher torque is very obvious over our si. it was the 6 mt and it thrust me back into the seat a little.

that was the only thing good about that car.
 
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Lol, thinking maybe it's time to close out the thread guys. Thought we were going to sink back into a thread about cost again, but we seem to have skipped that and went straight to "SI vs GTI" somehow.
 

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24k for a 1999 si? thats so fucking stupid. i dont care if it had 15k miles on it, thats retarded.

now 24k for a 1999 integra type r with 20k miles on it... that would be slightly more understandable.
Here is a 2000 Civic Si that went for $22,750: https://jalopnik.com/someone-just-paid-22-750-for-this-absurdly-pristine-20-1824165493
Forget about getting an Integra Type r anything less than $30K unless it has a dirty title or is in super shitty condition
 

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