Fatherpain’s 2018 Type R

[fatherpain]

With the HKS cooler core removed, could see how it physically compares to the C&R upgrade.

First thing that stands out is the fin density...The HKS has (8) rows, while the C&R is packs a whopping (16).

The C&R fins are slightly shorter in width, but appears to make up for it with additional height. Overall, it looks to have a larger surface area.

The C&R end reservoirs also look like it holds a larger volume, which may increase flow. (Speculating here)

Core thickness appears to be the same.

Ruh roh...what have we here? The bracket feet on the C&R are much beefier and wider than the HKS... Will this be a problem?

Gosh dog it! Sure is. There is no way the C&R core will fit without modification. So this install is on hold

Suspect this is what would be needed to make it work:

• Weld the gap to keep the foot bracket in place.
• Machine or grind off the edges marked in black.
• Do for all (4) brackets
• If problem persists, then may have to trim the HKS ducting and/or hose support.

Reached out to Cory @C&R Racing to Inform them of the issue. Promptly received a FedEx shipping label to send the core back for adjustment.

C&R didn’t realize the feet dimensions were a critical measurement. The good news is they will fix mine and apply those changes to all future cooler cores. They are going to rush repair and try to return it in time for my next track event 10/11/20 Big Willow.

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[kimtyson]

Another excellent post with lots of great pics and explanation. (I'm happy that you didn't make a liquid mess.) This is a very entertaining and educational thread. Thanks. And, I trust all will work out with the new cooler. It looks very promising.

 

[turbociv910]

that CR piece is nice!! Ive only seen those aluminum crush rings on large 16an/20an hoses.. even then not on all of them. Quality piece they provide with the HKS

 

[fatherpain]

Funny story about these 10AN fitting aluminum conical seals... while trying to figure out why the C&R core wouldn’t fit the HKS hardware, I inadvertently kneeled on and smashed the conical seals from the old core placed on the ground.

AN fittings seem to be somewhat hard to come by, but located a store in Lawndale that stocked them called “Earl’s Performance Products”. Seemed like such a throwback. Boarded up window and all....Gotta love it.

While the store looked shabby from the outside, the inside was all business. They had tons of fancy plumbing and hydraulic type fittings.

The guy behind the counter....Assumed to be “Earl”, was a no-nonsense character. Knew his stuff, retrieved the seals I was after in about (5) seconds....or faster than our Type R’s 0-60 and rang me out.

Well, in case anyone hasn’t guessed from these posts, I like talking to people. Complimented “Earl” how cool the store was and asked what other neat stuff they had for sale....

“Earl” replied:

“Our catalog is on our website....Look, I’ve got work to do.”

Translation: “GTFOH”

that CR piece is nice!! Ive only seen those aluminum crush rings on large 16an/20an hoses.. even then not on all of them. Quality piece they provide with the HKS

 

[fatherpain]

Thank you kimtyson. One goal is to make each DIY as clear as possible for those wishing to perform similar mods or maintenance... and maybe provide a chuckle or 2 along the way

A little worried the revamped C&R core won’t arrive in time for the next track day 10/11/20 @Big Willow. Gonna be close.

Another excellent post with lots of great pics and explanation. (I'm happy that you didn't make a liquid mess.) This is a very entertaining and educational thread. Thanks. And, I trust all will work out with the new cooler. It looks very promising.

 

[fatherpain]

Does anyone know how to back up or save the content of this thread, in the (unlikely) event something bad ever were to happen to CivicX?

Our family computer was recently hit by a nasty virus which resulted in a wiped hard drive and we lost some family photos and videos. A hard lesson learned to back stuff up.

Thought it might be a good idea to print a hard copy of the information and photos contained here, that could scan and upload, if the need ever were to arise.

Was surprised however to find printing (1) of these forum pages, produces any where from 80 to 116 pages .

And while some are blank filler pages, it’s still enough to easily fill a 3-ring binder. Multiply that by (37) pages (and counting) and that’s something like 5,000 papers, 37 binders + the space to store it

Anyone know of an easier, smarter solution? Please let this caveman know...Thank you in advance

 

[kimtyson]

I looked at this yesterday based on a comment you made. Wanted to give you a nice surprise of a file with all of your thread included. However, I could not find a solution that worked. If you found a way to print, instead of printing to paper do a print to pdf and save the pages as electronic files. Maybe someone will have an answer. You'd think it would be possible.

 

[BoostinIX]

Does anyone know how to back up or save the content of this thread, in the (unlikely) event something bad ever were to happen to CivicX?

Anyone know of an easier, smarter solution? Please let this caveman know...Thank you in advance

Print to PDF is a good option.

Can also try right clicking on the page, save as HTML.

 

[kimtyson]

Can also try right clicking on the page, save as HTML.

I did try the save as html but it only saves the page you're are on so you'd have to create 37 files, which could work. Just be sure to save every page.

 

[fatherpain]

Thanks kimtyson and BoostinIX for investigating and giving some options. Found can save to PDF, but only if do it in sections or ranges, but not the entire page in a single shot. Printing seems the most accurate, but having papers upon papers seems so old school,

But I’ll probably do both, as it would be a shame if one day all information on the forums were somehow lost.

I did try the save as html but it only saves the page you're are on so you'd have to create 37 files, which could work. Just be sure to save every page.

 

[brownman]

Thanks kimtyson and BoostinIX for investigating and giving some options. Found can save to PDF, but only if do it in sections or ranges, but not the entire page in a single shot. Printing seems the most accurate, but having papers upon papers seems so old school,

But I’ll probably do both, as it would be a shame if one day all information on the forums were somehow lost.

print then scan everything as a back up digitally

 

[fatherpain]

Took the plunge a little while back, on the “Vit” Viper Motec kit from VMR Performance along with a wiring harness from their partner BL Performance.

didn’t realize Motec also offers a dedicated FK8 kit until reading @turbociv910 ’s awesome high level build thread here. Highly recommend checking it out if haven’t seen it already.

The heart of both kits is a Motec 142 ECU and do the same thing, though “Vit’s” offers “no lift shifting” which may be very desireable for big power builds and racing from a dig.

Parted ways with the “Vit” kit, new, never installed at a sizable loss.

Appreciate @turbociv910 for taking time to answer questions and for his recommendation of Salasko Racing, where I procured this kit and look forward to receiving a remote tune from.

The advantage of the Motec AU kit the modular design for a slightly cleaner install...which is big for an OCD weirdo such as myself

The kit comes pre-loaded with a base map tune, which is supposed to be equivalent to or slightly better than OEM. Theoretically could install it and start driving around.

For a proper tune, will need to purchase a laptop and rent a dyno. However, that, will need a new O2 sensor, and install the HKS BOV.

When it comes to Motec and tuning in general, I am a super n00b and know very little, so it’s abit daunting. Hoping things become clearer the more I read, watch webinars and ask questions.

 

[fatherpain]

Had the day off, so detoured from an uneventful Costco trip to check out a shop called Winding Road Racing.

My older son is always on my case to buy clothes, but I’m just a jeans and t-shirt dad and will wear what I have until it literally falls apart.

Would rather spend on car parts, track days, food, and.... a good pair of racing gloves and shoes for the track

Have been using regular leather work gloves at the track and they’ve been... ok. Picked up a pair of Alpinestars racing gloves. Was skeptical, but they fit perfect and are very soft and pliable. Looking forward to trying them on my next track day 10/11/20

Check out the grip and they are breathable, so no sweaty hands. Slightly preferred the feel of these over the Sparco gloves. Was tempted to go darker, but the sales guy said white would be easier for other drivers to see when giving a point-by.

Also snagged a matching pair of driving shoes. Like the gloves, the are very pliable and comfortable.

The soles are made to grip the pedals and not for walking around in. Will bring regular shoes when outside the car.

These may come in handy for heel-toeing... but I struggle with the concept and technique. Maybe someday...

 

[fatherpain]

This round of attempted mods hasn’t quite panned out as hoped... though had expectations there may be obstacles and was correct.

Here is the current status of outstanding projects:

• C&R oil cooler core upgrade. Corrected core should arrive Friday, in time to install for an outing at Big Willow this Sunday. Ironically, signed up for the event after yanking off the HKS core... then found the new core didn't fit. Props to Cory and C&R hustling to make the necessary corrections and doing their best to deliver it in time.
• Motec AU FK8 kit - New laptop arrived today... Our old one died several years ago and with most things able to be done with just a phone, have made due ever since. However a laptop is needed for Motec and datalogging. Side benefit is my oldest son can use it for distance learning. The laptop his school provided is subpar, to put it nicely. Plan to install the Motec next week and run the base map until able to rent a dyno and be remote tuned by Salasko Racing. Will order and install a new Eventuri air filter and a new O2 sensor prior to the tune.
• HKS Blow Off Valve - ready to install. Will go on before the Motec ECU is installed. Will ask the tuner for a speed density tune (whatever that means) so will run properly and not adversely affect the car.
• JRZ RS Pro Coilovers - After corresponding at length with [email protected], decided to move forward with them. Ordered a JRZ gauge/fill tool and will purchase a small nitrogen bottle. These items are needed for the installation. WIll also need EZ Car Lift ground clearance accessories for when the car is dropped an inch.
• RV6 Suspension gear (various) - Printed all the instructions and have in a (3) ring binder to refer to during install. The suspension items likely will be installed the same time as the coilovers. After everything is installed, will take the car to West End Alignment in Gardena.

Have spent this week making sure the car is mechanically sound for the track. Found and replaced a missing bolt on the Eventuri charge pipe and secured a hold down that came loose. bled the brakes using the Speedibleed and cleaned out the car. All that's left is to install the C&R core, add oil, reinstall the front bumper, the last wheel and wash the car. Hopefully the core will arrive in time to start Friday and not have to do it all Saturday night.

 

[circuit.heart]

The BOV could just be recirculated into the TIP - there is absolutely no downside to this, not like the HKS isn't loud anyways even fully recirculated. Recirc helps with transient response, it's the first thing I hate when driving a VTA car.