European 1.5L Turbo Gets VTEC and Produces 201 bhp (vs 174bhp American) in 2016 Civic

[Shralper]

That's better then our current Si! What the heck

The SI is gonna have to do a lot better than 201hp/191trq in my opinion. That's not even close to competitive with the GTI, WRX, Focus ST or the future MazdaSpeed3.

Come on, Honda. After all this waiting, you better not fail us again.

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[072.4se]

260 NM would be 191 lb Ft for torque
Way better than current Si but roughly same horsepower which would be disappointing.

 

[Luis]

Was really expecting a 2.0t for the Si. What a disappointment if we only get the 1.5t

 

[takemorepills]

If the engines are the same exact specs, why is the North American 1.5L turbo being detuned.

27hp difference significant... thats a 15% power difference.

Not detuned. One has VTEC one doesn't

 

[firsthonda]

Was really expecting a 2.0t for the Si. What a disappointment if we only get the 1.5t

We still don't know. Ha. They are making us do a lot of guessing.

 

[firsthonda]

So vtec is when the valves open fully to give that extra grunt when needed? As you can see by my name first honda I still don't know everything about it. I really would like 2.0 engine turbo but we still have to wait and wait and wait a little more. Hopefully tomorrow we hear something ha

 

[takemorepills]

The two cars in a race the turbo would smoke the 2.4 4 hp Less more torque that would come on quicker.

Agreed, the turbo has a much wider power band.

Now put $5k each into both engines. The K24 will kill the 1.5T.

I look at it this way because many Si owners are willing to drop that kinda money.

 

[G26okie]

So vtec is when the valves open fully to give that extra grunt when needed? As you can see by my name first honda I still don't know everything about it. I really would like 2.0 engine turbo but we still have to wait and wait and wait a little more. Hopefully tomorrow we hear something ha

VTEC in the performance sense usually involves a 2nd set of cam lobes that are bigger than the 1st set of cam lobes. When the cam switches over to the bigger lobes, the intake/exhaust valves open farther and for longer.

 

[H_P]

Not detuned. One has VTEC one doesn't

I consider that detuned - getting an engine with features omitted.

 

[G26okie]

Agreed, the turbo has a much wider power band.

Now put $5k each into both engines. The K24 will kill the 1.5T.

I look at it this way because many Si owners are willing to drop that kinda money.

I gotta be honest though, I don't think many manufacturers build cars with the aftermarket in mind at all.

 

[takemorepills]

I consider that detuned - getting an engine with features omitted.

I consider that a different engine. A tune is ECU tuning and/or bolt-ons. A different cylinder head is more than a "tune"

 

[Design]

That is a different engine indeed. Tuned for the Euro sport market. Probably more cost efficient than doing a 2.0T with revised intake/exhaust on top of the aforementioned. My guess is they went this route due to fuel economy demands vs. performance. But make no mistake, that motor is nearly maxed out in its current configuration.

Honda has consistently maintained that their 2.0T is intended for its performance lineup. I think most of us would be very, very surprised to see the 1.5T used in anything above the EX/Touring.

 

[firsthonda]

Agreed, the turbo has a much wider power band.

Now put $5k each into both engines. The K24 will kill the 1.5T.

I look at it this way because many Si owners are willing to drop that kinda money.

True no doubt.

 

[takemorepills]

That is a different engine indeed. Tuned for the Euro sport market. Probably more cost efficient than doing a 2.0T with revised intake/exhaust on top of the aforementioned. My guess is they went this route due to fuel economy demands vs. performance. But make no mistake, that motor is nearly maxed out in its current configuration.

Honda has consistently maintained that their 2.0T is intended for its performance lineup. I think most of us would be very, very surprised to see the 1.5T used in anything above the EX/Touring.

European and Asian markets have tax penalties based on engine displacement. 1.5 liters is a common displacement that many countries use as the step to a higher tax bracket. I think that's why you'll see more variations on small displacement turbo motors in other markets.

 

[firsthonda]

I gotta be honest though, I don't think many manufacturers build cars with the aftermarket in mind at all.

I think your right. I feel they need to have the Si very affordable and if they could get 215 hp and 215 torque out oF 1.5 T go for it car will be light. If you want a total bad a$$ car you have the type r

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