Don't Drag Race a Sonata N-Line

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The Sonata N is up against the Accord so compared to the CTR it's off, plus you're comparing an 8-sp auto vs a 6mt.

CTR bhp is 306 @ 6500 rpn w/ 295wtq vs Sonata's 290 @ 5800 w/ 311wtq

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Honda Civic 10th gen Don't Drag Race a Sonata N-Line 1610721774297


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Keep the R light and have minor b/o like CAI and exhaust, it will still be faster than your typical stock Sonata.

I also drove one for the fun of it and my thoughts "it's a Hyundai" LOL
 
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They must not have seen this video.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/465963/tlx-accord-sonata-drag-race/amp/
On a roll, its quick, forget about it from a dig.
Very interesting. I agree with them, the results really don't make much sense given the power and weight of these cars... but I think it really does come down to the transmissions, which I've long thought the reason why similarly powered kia/hyundai cars are slower than similar hondas.

I am a bit surprised the TLX kept up with the accord as well as it did. MT quoted something like 7 seconds to 60 in the SH-AWD A-Spec... but based on this race and the accord's known 5.4 second time... I would peg the TLX closer to a 5.8 second to 60, which given the added weight, isn't nearly the handicap. From a roll however, it's much less of a competition (again, gearing as they said). I agree with them that the accord lives in some alternate dimension being as quick as it is for a non-luxury family sedan.
 


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No, the Sonata N line is not even close to the Type R in acceleration. The Sonata is nearly 500 pounds heavier and has less power.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't understand power to weight ratio.

The Type R has proven time and time again that it will do a 4.9 second 0-60 if the launch is done right.

Type R would demolish it by an even wider margin in a roll race.
 
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No, the Sonata N line is not even close to the Type R in acceleration. The Sonata is nearly 500 pounds heavier and has less power.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't understand power to weight ratio.

The Type R has proven time and time again that it will do a 4.9 second 0-60 if the launch is done right.

Type R would demolish it by an even wider margin in a roll race.
Someone didn't read the article. Check the 5-60 times. The R almost a full second slower. The R also has a lower trap speed. I suspect it would lose a roll race. Stock vs. stock of course.
 

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I can take all of them with a crappy Lancer.
Of course from a dig race only before the quarter-mile mark.

If I have to choose between a CTR and a Sonata N. I pick the CTR hands down.

This is what makes the CTR special
Unfortunately, there is a downside to this Hyundai's newfound power. It's been a while since we've complained about torque steer, but heavy applications of throttle are felt through the Hyundai's steering. It doesn't turn the clock back 20 years, changing lanes on its own at the hit like a supercharged Pontiac Bonneville SSEi—not even close—but you'll know you bought a front-wheel-drive car every time you put your foot down.
 
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Someone didn't read the article. Check the 5-60 times. The R almost a full second slower. The R also has a lower trap speed. I suspect it would lose a roll race. Stock vs. stock of course.
I think what @StanMan is trying to say is that the numbers seem a bit off since at the end of the day, power to weight ratio tends to play the biggest role in acceleration. So either that number is off or something else was going on.

For example, more spin at the beginning would disadvantage a car in both trap speed, ÂĽ mile, 0-60, and even 5-60. This goes for any car. We know the Type R has an issue with this. A heavier car will have less issue with this, but would disadvantage the power-to-weight ratio.

On the other hand, if Hyundai is under claiming the Sonata's power rating, that could also cause this too.
 

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The transmission in the 2.0T Accord's really is amazing, not to mention the entire drivetrain.
Check out the gear ratio's, especially 1st gear. Launches like a drag car!

10-Speed Automatic Transmission (10AT) with Shift-By-Wire (SBW) and Paddle Shifters:
  • 1st: 5.246
  • 2nd: 3.271
  • 3rd: 2.185
  • 4th: 1.597
  • 5th: 1.304
  • 6th: 1.000
  • 7th: 0.782
  • 8th: 0.653
  • 9th: 0.581
  • 10th: 0.517
  • Reverse: 3.974
  • Final Drive: 3.550

Here's the Type R's gear ratios:

6-Speed Manual Transmission (6MT) with Rev-Match Control:
  • 1st: 3.625
  • 2nd: 2.115
  • 3rd: 1.529
  • 4th: 1.125
  • 5th: 0.911
  • 6th: 0.735
  • Reverse: 3.758
  • Final Drive Ratio: 4.111
 

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That car has been bested by the 2021 Veloster N with standard 6-speed and as per the article under 5 seconds 0-60 mph. Also C&D expects the new DCT transmission version will be even quicker. The reality is on a track this won't matter much but as a daily the Hyundai's will be quicker all the time on the street.

https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/veloster-n
 
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It appears to be a fast car, but a different experience than a CTR. With an automatic transmission and a near 3,600 weight, it will have totally different driving dynamics.

If I learned anything, don’t chase numbers. Fast doesn’t mean fun. Cars are getting faster and even more capable. Unfortunately, as capabilities climb, it seems cars, even high performance ones are becoming more sterile. In my short time of owning my CTR, I think it too suffers a little bit of being too refined.
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