Bhartz412
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- Ocala, FL
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- 2017 Civic Hatchback LX
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Wow thanks for the in-depth analysis, these are the things like the brake/accelerator pedal distance that experts wont touch on, I love knowing the little things that could be problematic. I am definitely experiencing the paint and windshield chip in the LX so I guess I should count on more of the sameIt's a great car with some elements of cost cutting built into it. The seats are outstanding as is the chassis. Ignoring the heat issues, the engine is great. I've not experienced gearbox issues, but I babied it for the first 3000kms.
Build quality is average by today's standards. Rattles and buzzes from the dashboard and window tweeter when the engine is under load. The paint is thin and will chip easily, and the windshield will scratch if the smallest thing gets stuck under the wiper. The fact the the interior screams Type R in the front and then transitions to "meh, garden variety Civic" in the back is offputting. The accountants won and left it feeling cheap.
The screen and stereo is absolutely outdated, cheap and nasty rubbish and the sound quality is poor by comparison to cheaper cars on the market.
Pedal placement is poor (brake to accelerator distance) but is ok for everyday driving. I can just barely heel-toe in it, it's not a natural feel at all.
LKAS is terrible - far too many false positives (Aussie ones came with LKAS and ACC from day 1) when a road patch sets it off.
ACC is great as is the speed limiter option. Not as sophisticated as the setup in our 2018 (Asia market) Honda Odyssey, but it does the Job. Actually, all of the driver assist in the Odyssey leaves the CTR for dead.
Out of our 4 Hondas, where do I rate it?
People mover: '18 Odyssey (7 seats including mid-row Captain's Chairs), '20 (MY19) Civic Type R, '99 Integra Type R, '88 CRX (DOHC D16A8 - only 2 seats)
Comfort: Odyssey, Civic (Sport or Comfort mode), CRX, Integra
Handling (Track): Integra, Civic, CRX, Odyssey
Handling (Road): Civic (Sport mode)/Odyssey (my wife can throw it around harder than most other drivers in quicker, smaller cars... and that's in ECO mode. If she drops it into sport mode, the road is hers!), CRX, Integra (snap oversteer in the wet)
Butt Dyno/Speed Feel: CRX (Slowest car that feels the fastest), Integra (Quick car that feels quick), Civic (Fast car that feels deceptively slow), Odyssey (not-slow car that sounds great when the K24 is wound up).
Sound: Integra (stock exhaust but still sounds fantastic when on-song), CRX (modified exhaust - crackles and pops), Civic (ok - tells me what it is doing), Odyssey (awesomely quiet for interstate runs).
Power to weight: Crx - 130bhp D16A8 (stock)/800kg, Odyssey, Odyssey 178bhp K24/1854kg, Integra 193bhp (Stock) B18C7/1100kg, Civic 300bhp/1400kg
Fun to drive: CRX, Integra, Civic, Odyssey
Track Overall winner: CTR, ITR, CRX, (I'd put the Odyssey ahead of the CRX if my wife was driving it).
Best interior: Odyssey (except I despise the lack of non-tactile buttons and a reliance on Honda's shit screen), Civic (except for the shit screen and reliance on said shit screen to control the heat/cold), Integra (but it has all you need), CRX (see Integra)
Build Quality: Odyssey (Japan build), Integra (Japan build), Civic (UK Build), CRX (1980s Japan build).
Best driver's car: Integra Type R.
I know the CTR does it all better. I know it's faster. I know it's safer. It does all of this, but in the end, it's a digital car. The Civic does it all for you and displays it on the dash. The Integra is just an extension of the body as everything is transmitted to the driver through steering wheel, pedals, drivetrain and chassis.
Best all-rounder: Civic Type R
The Civic is a great car to drive and enjoy. Do I feel as connected to it as my Integra or CRX? No. But it has a great balance and is great, quick car.
Notes:
Integra is stock other than Tein suspension, JDM 16 inch ITR wheels and Mugen sump, with 70,000kms on it.
Civic is stock (4500kms)
CRX is stock except for coilovers, cat-back exhaust and Mugen wheels (199,000kms)
Odyssey is stock with 60,000kms.
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