dallasjhawk
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So they're forged, by heat no?non si
Sorry, I have to say no. These cars are not abused as in constantly trying to brake launch or constantly driving like a race car. Brake launch will break CVT but not bending the rod. I know it happened to 1 car and the owner did brake launch often.All these cases of bent rods you speak of might be from cars that were abused. In other words, folks may say "I was just driving normally at 30 mph and it just threw a rod". But they may not be mentioning how they were constantly trying to brake launch or constantly driving it like a race car. That type of use will weaken rods over time.
Perhaps this base guideline is what most people should shoot for.Sorry, I have to say no. These cars are not abused as in constantly trying to brake launch or constantly driving like a race car. Brake launch will break CVT but not bending the rod. I know it happened to 1 car and the owner did brake launch often.
You cannot find a place to drive any car like a race car in the city where I live unless nowadays during COVID-19 semi lockdown. During normal days, you can olny drive within the speed of 80-100 mph between 01:00 and before 6:00 AM in the morning at certain highways, not all.
There is no CVT damaged though. Those cars with bend rod has no CVT issue or indication of CVT problems.
All known tuners in my country know this issue and recommend not to push the car beyond KTuner or Hondata basemap. In fact, they retarded timing a bit in 21 PSI KTuner option. The tuners will only do push beyond 21 PSI if the customer demand it.
You can rarely find tuned Civic 1.5T CVT goes beyond 240-ish BHP even with PRL Downpipe, PRL Cobra CAI, and PRL intercooler installed, if the owner did not specifically tell the tuner to go for the max boost the turbo & CVT could take.
TSP Stage-1 for non-si will give 252 BHP.
If that's the case and similarly tuned cars in Indonesia are failing but not in the US, I guess you need to find out, environmentally, what the difference is. You say with assurity there was no abuse involved yet the tuning reliability survey I run shows base and TSP tuned cars as amazingly reliable. The only failures documented in the survey were from abuse.Sorry, I have to say no. These cars are not abused as in constantly trying to brake launch or constantly driving like a race car. Brake launch will break CVT but not bending the rod. I know it happened to 1 car and the owner did brake launch often.
You cannot find a place to drive any car like a race car in the city where I live unless nowadays during COVID-19 semi lockdown. During normal days, you can olny drive within the speed of 80-100 mph between 01:00 and before 6:00 AM in the morning at certain highways, not all.
There is no CVT damaged though. Those cars with bend rod has no CVT issue or indication of CVT problems.
All known tuners in my country know this issue and recommend not to push the car beyond KTuner or Hondata basemap. In fact, they retarded timing a bit in 21 PSI KTuner option. The tuners will only do push beyond 21 PSI if the customer demand it.
You can rarely find tuned Civic 1.5T CVT goes beyond 240-ish BHP even with PRL Downpipe, PRL Cobra CAI, and PRL intercooler installed, if the owner did not specifically tell the tuner to go for the max boost the turbo & CVT could take.
TSP Stage-1 for non-si will give 252 BHP.
And that's pretty much exactly how it is in the US. Regular abuse, antilag, not monitoring parameters after adding bolt-ons etc. all lead up to the failures.The only 1.5 blown in my country had an aftermarket clutch, downpipe, antilag and was abused in a daily basis even with the engine not fully warm. The engine threw a rod in a relaxed drive way home.
Don't get me wrong. I don't suspect the tools (KTuner/Hondata/piggyback, etc.).If that's the case and similarly tuned cars in Indonesia are failing but not in the US, I guess you need to find out, environmentally, what the difference is. You say with assurity there was no abuse involved yet the tuning reliability survey I run shows base and TSP tuned cars as amazingly reliable. The only failures documented in the survey were from abuse.
Has JR or Derek chimed in about this Indonesia versus US engine difference? Something simply doesn't add up. If the engines are the same and you say zero abuse, what's the cause? Right now the only environmental difference I can think of is Jakarta's oppressive year round heat and humidity.
I've looked at nearly every documented case of blown engines here at CivicX... Si and non-Si. Push comes to shove after all was said and done, virtually all the owners admitted some sort of abuse. Whether it was adding bolt ons and not getting a proper tune or not monitoring fuel trims or flat out driving like a maniac.
Good luck on your research into this.
No aftermarket clutch because there is no manual Civic in Indonesia. Tuners in Indonesia are conservative when they flash daily driver. From my experience, they only thick improve throttle response, and improve boost.kytos said:The only 1.5 blown in my country had an aftermarket clutch, downpipe, antilag and was abused in a daily basis even with the engine not fully warm. The engine threw a rod in a relaxed drive way home.