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What's everyone using for topping off on fuel? The hoses on my jugs are too girthy. I'm hoping for economical options like replacement tops, hoses, etc. for my standard VP jugs.
I use 2 5G VP jugs and have no issues with the hose filler going into the fuel opening. I'm using the standard VP hoses with grey plastic end section.

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Just adding to this for experience. Drove/instructed Road America this past weekend in full stock form. Brakes, pads, and tires were all stock.

Ambient temps for 65 on Saturday with rain for most of the day, and 70 Sunday sunny for most of the day. No overheating either days. Full 20 minute sessions 4 mile track, very high speeds. Car is super capable in stock form as I expected. Just didn't expect it to be this fun. As expected brakes were not a strong enough compound for late braking and a bit squishy half way through my session. Tires are capable for those starting out, but I will definitely be upgrading as expected. Overall good weekend, minor tweaks to the car. I don't see myself needing to change the suspension as the stock felt very compliant in full stock form.
 
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@roflitzjinno Thanks for the insight. I also agree that the car is very capable in stock form. I found myself killing the sidewall on some V720 in the dry. I'm pretty sure I'd cook the hell out of the stock tires in one day. Need more camber.
 

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@roflitzjinno Thanks for the insight. I also agree that the car is very capable in stock form. I found myself killing the sidewall on some V720 in the dry. I'm pretty sure I'd cook the hell out of the stock tires in one day. Need more camber.
Sidewalls actually looked good, didn't see too much roll over. Tire pressures were on point most of the weekend for me. Kept it around 35-36 hot, seemed my front driver got roughly 0.5 to 1 PSI higher than all the other tires. Tires got a bit greasy after 10 minutes or so, but I had fun with it. Definitely more camber is needed, I like a lot of front camber personally, so will be investing in some camber all around for the car.
 

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Just adding to this for experience. Drove/instructed Road America this past weekend in full stock form. Brakes, pads, and tires were all stock.

Ambient temps for 65 on Saturday with rain for most of the day, and 70 Sunday sunny for most of the day. No overheating either days. Full 20 minute sessions 4 mile track, very high speeds. Car is super capable in stock form as I expected. Just didn't expect it to be this fun. As expected brakes were a strong enough compound for late braking and a bit squishy and maybe half way through my session. Tires are capable for those starting out, but I will definitely be upgrading as expected. Overall good weekend, minor tweaks to the car. I don't see myself needing to change the suspension as the stock felt very compliant in full stock form.
Nice report Jinno! This car is crazy capable and fun in full stock form.

I'll also add my report from this past weekend

Track: Buttonwillow CCW 26
Car/Mods: 19 CTR - PRL IC, PRL Piping, PRL Intake, Remark Spec III Exhaust, Koyo radiator, Acuity Hoses, e25 tune set to 24psi, high flow grill, HKS oil cooler, Motul 300V 5w-30, Swift springs, 265/35/18 RE71R
Lap Time: 2:03:6xx
Conditions: First session 69F, Second Session 70F, Third Session 92F
Report: Car had no overheating issues any sessions. Was able to get about 9 laps in S1 & S3 before temps got close to 235-240, did 1 cool down lap and temps were back to 190F, ready to push hard again. There was also some traffic so after those laps i came into pits. No brake fade issues and was braking fairly hard into some turns.

I truly feel the e25 tune is one of the biggest contributing factors to keeping the temps in check. I strongly urge others to look into a tune keeping the boost lower using ethanol rather than spending thousands on other hardware that may or may not yield the results they are expecting.

I'll gather my datalogs from the SOLO and Hondata and quantify some of these findings.
 

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Sidewalls actually looked good, didn't see too much roll over. Tire pressures were on point most of the weekend for me. Kept it around 35-36 hot, seemed my front driver got roughly 0.5 to 1 PSI higher than all the other tires. Tires got a bit greasy after 10 minutes or so, but I had fun with it. Definitely more camber is needed, I like a lot of front camber personally, so will be investing in some camber all around for the car.
I can totally agree with what you've said in previous posts. I know too many people who think that they need a bunch of mods to go and turn laps. Only to never experience what it's all about.
 

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This is really interesting read. I’m coming from a DC2R that I tracked frequently, but haven’t been on track for a few years due to divorce/life.

Well I am picking up my 2019 FK8 in VA beginning of next month and driving it back home. I plan to track it, and cooling will most certainly be an issue as I live in the hottest state in the country...Arizona.

That being said I am a very competent driver having run time trials and even did Honda Challenge for a minute. I am not the fastest and take care of equipment and know how to manage wear. I plan to hopefully run in the spring or next fall but even during those times, ambient temps will get as high as the 80’s even 90’a even in March/April and October/November. So while I’m still searching, has any company come out with a IC sprayer like the EVOs came with? “Misters” are a common thing seen out here and it drastically can lower ambient temps even in the eat of summer out here, so I’m curious has anyone used one and what were the results? I would love to partner with a company to find a solution to the overheating problem that won’t break the bank and I believe it’s possible, and I live in the best place to figure it out, if a solution is found that will keep these cars cool out here, it will work anywhere.
 

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This is really interesting read. I’m coming from a DC2R that I tracked frequently, but haven’t been on track for a few years due to divorce/life.

Well I am picking up my 2019 FK8 in VA beginning of next month and driving it back home. I plan to track it, and cooling will most certainly be an issue as I live in the hottest state in the country...Arizona.

That being said I am a very competent driver having run time trials and even did Honda Challenge for a minute. I am not the fastest and take care of equipment and know how to manage wear. I plan to hopefully run in the spring or next fall but even during those times, ambient temps will get as high as the 80’s even 90’a even in March/April and October/November. So while I’m still searching, has any company come out with a IC sprayer like the EVOs came with? “Misters” are a common thing seen out here and it drastically can lower ambient temps even in the eat of summer out here, so I’m curious has anyone used one and what were the results? I would love to partner with a company to find a solution to the overheating problem that won’t break the bank and I believe it’s possible, and I live in the best place to figure it out, if a solution is found that will keep these cars cool out here, it will work anywhere.
Cooling the charge air with a sprayer will not help with overheating
 

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Cooling the intake mixture isn't going to solve the K20C's heat issues. The two main failures of the CTR are having terrible flow out of the radiator and having a lot of heat collected in the head and coolant passages nearby.

Moving the radiator forward will do a lot. Venting the hood will help further. Ethanol fuel will help a lot. Where the "enough" point lies after that depends on your climate, tires and driving.
 

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Just adding to this for experience. Drove/instructed Road America this past weekend in full stock form. Brakes, pads, and tires were all stock.

Ambient temps for 65 on Saturday with rain for most of the day, and 70 Sunday sunny for most of the day. No overheating either days. Full 20 minute sessions 4 mile track, very high speeds. Car is super capable in stock form as I expected. Just didn't expect it to be this fun. As expected brakes were not a strong enough compound for late braking and a bit squishy half way through my session. Tires are capable for those starting out, but I will definitely be upgrading as expected. Overall good weekend, minor tweaks to the car. I don't see myself needing to change the suspension as the stock felt very compliant in full stock form.
WHAT lap times were you running at Road America?

Thanks!
 

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WHAT lap times were you running at Road America?

Thanks!
Insanely slow times IMO. Best I did with traffic was 2:57.03. I was braking way before each of the markers just to make sure the brakes would slow down in time. Brakes got bad after roughly the third lap and times fell off after that. Still worth the experience and seat time to practice line though.

Better tire compound, brakes, and some camber and I'd say times would drop significantly. Reference Civic Type R TCR time is 2:29 from what I last saw on YouTube.
 

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Insanely slow times IMO. Best I did with traffic was 2:57.03. I was braking way before each of the markers just to make sure the brakes would slow down in time. Brakes got bad after roughly the third lap and times fell off after that. Still worth the experience and seat time to practice line though.

Better tire compound, brakes, and some camber and I'd say times would drop significantly. Reference Civic Type R TCR time is 2:29 from what I last saw on YouTube.
How have you found the Civic compared to your S2000? IMO the Civic is way more forgiving and much easier to drive.
 

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How have you found the Civic compared to your S2000? IMO the Civic is way more forgiving and much easier to drive.
I'd say FWD is much easier to drive than RWD IMO. With FWD I've learned that you can mostly just whip the car into doing what you want it to do. With the amount of the power the car makes, it's easy to just pull through after doing some lift steering. With the S2000, I feel it's a fine line you're crossing when it comes to the limit. Last drove an AP1 back in July, and it's truly hard to make a comparison. It's really apples to oranges. Every car I've driven just doesn't feel like a S2000 and I don't think anything will come close to how that car feels without going into a different price class of cars. But the Civic comes very close. At least for me it does. IDK if it's just me, but the Civic feels like a cheater car. It's hard and takes a lot of skill to drive a S2000 fast, and it doesn't feel that way for the Civic.

I want to stress too that I am by no means a professional on the track. These are just all based off my experiences and my personal driving habits. Take anything I say with a grain of salt. Opinions will vary from person to person.
 

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I'd say FWD is much easier to drive than RWD IMO. With FWD I've learned that you can mostly just whip the car into doing what you want it to do. With the amount of the power the car makes, it's easy to just pull through after doing some lift steering. With the S2000, I feel it's a fine line you're crossing when it comes to the limit. Last drove an AP1 back in July, and it's truly hard to make a comparison. It's really apples to oranges. Every car I've driven just doesn't feel like a S2000 and I don't think anything will come close to how that car feels without going into a different price class of cars. But the Civic comes very close. At least for me it does. IDK if it's just me, but the Civic feels like a cheater car. It's hard and takes a lot of skill to drive a S2000 fast, and it doesn't feel that way for the Civic.

I want to stress too that I am by no means a professional on the track. These are just all based off my experiences and my personal driving habits. Take anything I say with a grain of salt. Opinions will vary from person to person.
The FWD aspect is significant, especially since the CTR has so much grip and ability to manage it (much more on lower treadwear tires). The only thing I've tracked that was similar to an S2000 was an 86/FRS/BRZ and even that felt like a much more tame AP2. Even when you jump into a higher price point, said car will have its own unique characteristics making it special.

TL;DR Nothing compares to an S2K. haha
 

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