Civic Type R - 5 seat conversion

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This is my first post here, thought it might help someone out that was in the same boat. Perhaps you want to buy the Type R, but need three rear seats for your kids? I've found posts talking about the conversion, but didn't find any tutorials on how to do it. I convinced my self it was possible and decided to trade in my 2019 WRX. I've outlined the journey below.

Project: 5 SeateRRRRR

Tools: Like any other good honda I've owned, you can do this with a 10mm, 12mm and 14mm. You'll also need:
Ratchet (impact also helps)
Extension (makes the job much easier)
Large Philips head screwdriver
small flat head (or small pry tool)
Panel tool
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Materials:
You''ll need the rear seats out of another 5 door as the center seat belt is built into that section. I picked up the 60%, 40% and seat bench used off ebay for about $450 total. I wanted to maintain the stock look, so went with cloth which probably came from a LX? They look nearly identical except for a couple spots with white stitching instead of red.
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You'll also need to get a new seat belt buckle that replaces the right rear buckle and adds the center section. I ordered one (04823-TGG-A00ZA) for about $35 from hondaautomotiveparts.com

Before we get started, here is what we are working with:
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First step is removing Seat bottom out. There is a small tab you pull (two) that help release the seat base.
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Next, use a 10mm socket behind the driver side rear to remove the retaining bolt.
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Now remove the rear seat and set it aside.
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Pry up the small panel on each side, there are two plastic retainers. Pull gently.
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Now, pull the weather stripping up so we can get to the panel behind the two shoulder belts.
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Now you will need to remove a single 10mm bolt from the panel behind the two side shoulder belts. My finger is on it here after I got it started.
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Be very careful when removing this. This panel is wedged in there good, and it's easy to brake the retaining tabs.
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Now, you can access the rear seat back mounts. There are two bolts on the driver side and one on the passenger side.
Removing the two anchor bolts for the seat back on L side (I already removed them in this pic, see the two holes? USe the 12mm socket for this.
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Do the same on the passenger side to remove the one mounting bracket hole.

Use the pry tool to get at the phillips head screw keeping the hatchback floor carpet anchored down.
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Now, use the panel tool to remove the plastic retaining rings keeping the seat back carpet anchored to the floor.
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The last thing holding the 40% seat back in is the center retainer. Use a 12mm to undo this bracket near the center. Remove the seat once you pull it out.
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Once the 40% side is out, it will reveal this 12mm nut keeping the 60% side in. Remove it, and take the 60% side out.
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Time to start reinstalling stuff!
Install the new 60% section in place. Start with the last bolt you just removed for the center bracket. Be sure to keep the plastic ring on the end of the center pin.
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This is mostly reverse steps of the removal.
Installing the 40% section, put the bracket back in using the 12mm bolts you saved earlier.
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Remember to put the carpet anchors back in for the seat backs.
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Reinstall the hatch floor anchors
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Next, install the (1) outer 12mm bolt for the passenger seat back bracket and (2) for the driver side.
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Next, reinstall the side panels behind the side seat belts. This is a PITA in my opinion and the worst part of the whole job. It's hard to get the tabs aligned right. Just take your time.
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Once finished, don't forget to install the (1) 10mm bolt on each side.
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Next, reinstall the small sill panels
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One last look at the old seat belts
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Laying the new double buckle in place. See the original one with empty loop and the new replacement (04823-TGG-A00ZA)
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Remove the old and install the new using the 14mm socket
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Removed driver side buckle bolt
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Now, combine the buckle from the new/used 60% section with the old buckle using the 14mm.
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Pop the new/used rear bottom in place, and reinstall the 10mm retainer behind the driver side.
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Looking good!
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Final:
Before:
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After:
Seat belt extender added to help with my son's booster on the driver rear (booster not pictured)
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Came out well, I'm pleased. I hope this helps out the other family crew considering the R.



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Thanks! It looks great! No drilling or cutting the foam like another similar thread.

Honda should’ve done this from the beginning. How much heavier is the 60/40 split bench? Can you feel a significant weight difference when you’re removing the CTR rear bench?

Thanks for showing a way forward. My only reservation is dealing with insurance if something happens. It looks totally OEM (it is!) and most people wouldn’t notice it’s modded; it might pass muster in “crunch” time.
 
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Weight:
I should have weighed it, but didn’t. The 60% side maybe a pound or two heavier since it has the retractor and belt built in. I didn’t notice it when carrying it though.

insurance:
It is a risk. As far as safety, it is all factory components. I wouldn’t have done it if I felt it compromised safety at all versus an standard 5 door. I could get screwed if it was noticed after an accident.
 

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Thanks! It looks great! No drilling or cutting the foam like another similar thread.

Honda should’ve don’t this from the beginning. How much heavier is the 60/40 split bench? Can you feel a significant weight difference when you’re removing the CTR rear bench?

Thanks for showing a way forward. My only reservation is dealing with insurance if something happens. It looks totally OEM (it is!) and most people wouldn’t notice it’s modded; it might pass muster in “crunch” time.
I think the main reason why Honda didn't include a center seat was due to the maximum weight capacity of the vehicle being about 680 lbs. Seating 5 would mean that each person in the car has a weight of 136 lbs on average. That's pretty low for today's standards. The normal civic is 850 lbs which would be about 170 lbs a person. It's still low, but not that low.

In terms of insurance, I can see you arguing the point if you are below the total weight capacity of the vehicle still, but if that 5th person puts you over, the insurance has valid reason to void the claim.
 

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Super cool. It's too bad the middle belt isn't red.
 

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This is awesome
 

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Agree with everyone this is super dope. Good to know there is an opt.
 

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Awesome! Thanks for this. Will be a project for me in the future, for sure.
 

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2020 CTR at Frankfurt auto show appears to be a 5 seater. Skip to 6:20
 

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2020 CTR at Frankfurt auto show appears to be a 5 seater. Skip to 6:20
The center looks cloth instead of having the cup holders, but I don't see a third seat belt anywhere in the video. Not at the 3:50 mark nor the 6:20.
 

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2020 CTR at Frankfurt auto show appears to be a 5 seater. Skip to 6:20
No seat belt in the middle. Europeans don't drink big gulps so no rear cup holders for them. But sensing, rain sensors, and electric folding mirrors are available in EU.

See the same car here:
 

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Bravo! Excellent work 95PreludeSi. I love seeing photo walkthroughs of cool projects. Thank you for taking the time to document and share this with us ;)
 

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OMG! Thank you. Ex fit worked? O assumed with would have to be sport hatch seats.
 

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No seat belt in the middle. Europeans don't drink big gulps so no rear cup holders for them. But sensing, rain sensors, and electric folding mirrors are available in EU.
Indeed, already from the beginning (2017) the Type R was homologated as 4 seater, with backseats 60/40% folding, only 2 backseats places and no cup holder in the middle. So insurance wise you can get into trouble in case of an accident while having 5 people present in the car.

For the people interested, in Europe we have 2 versions: a (basic) Type R and a Type R GT. Technically they are identical but the GT has some extra's: dead angle warning in both side mirrors, trunk cover, parking sensors front and rear, dual zone automatic airco (versus single zone automatic airco), self-dimming interior mirror, powered rear windows + remotely controlled, foldable side mirrors + remotely controlled, glove compartment with light (versus without light), Honda Connect with Garmin navigation (versus Honda Connect without nav), 11 loudspeakers (versus 8, but no subwoofer in both versions :-( ), 465 Watt "High Power Audio" music power (versus 180 Watt), wireless cellphone charger, exterior with red accents (versus without red accents) and LED fog lights (versus regular fog lights).

Compared to US and Canadian version, both European versions have standard privacy glass, Honda Sensing (probably because in Europe it helps to reduce the insurance premium if your car is equipped with it), rain sensor and auto engine start/stop (probably because it helps to reduce the average fuel consumption, so lowers the environmental taxes applied in some European countries).

So options are very limited: metallic paint (only Rallye Red is standard), Honda 3D Sound (Digital Sound Processor, which I have), red interior light pack (called "Red Illumination Pack" officially, which I have but was overpriced and badly installed at the dealer) and a series of carbon stuff for the exterior (no go for me, as too fragile for street use and rather useless).

At the other hand, some accessories are not available over here, like the rubber trunk mat with Type R logo in color (08U45-TGH-100), the car cover (08P34-TGH-100A), the capless fuel cover (17666-TGG-A01), etc. but luckily for us there are some good importers that provided us with those goodies as well :)
 
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No seat belt in the middle. Europeans don't drink big gulps so no rear cup holders for them. But sensing, rain sensors, and electric folding mirrors are available in EU.

See the same car here:
I think it’s just a different bench seat. I paused the video and there’s no third seat belt and no third latch for the belt to lock in to.

Edit - Someone from Europe confirmed.
 

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