If you are comparing CVT against DSG, the DSG VW will have double the performance capabilities but that may come at a price, including carbon deposits and some reliability snafus. In addition the GTI will be perfectly adequate albeit quiet out of the box. I am not familiar with the overdrive gearing on autos but on 6MT, the GTI turns over about 500 less RPM at highway speeds. This can mean better highway mileage if you supercruise (above 80 mph).The seats and quiet of the GTI are game changers because for me as this personally matters to me but the reliability questions freak me out. If you have passengers then for sure GTI wins but if you are 99% alone then the Civic has enough power. And you asked about fuel dilution. I have not had much of that since break-in completed but I would suffer more if I lived far North like in Canada without a garage. The Civic also cannot stay warm while driving around town if the temperatures are below freezing. We are talking water temps. Maybe this cool Honda engine will net longer life, being a turbo, but we don't know yet. During summer at 100 degrees F or more the timing is pulled on Civic, & it drives as if at 1/2 power with stock intercooler. At 90F and below it is not nearly as bad.To everyone that replied on this post, thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it. What about the oil dilution that is being brought up on the civics? Is that something to worry about if I were to purchase the civic?
I see people say this a lot, but I feel it is an exaggeration. Has the GTI been more expensive to maintain over the past 10 years/90k miles than a Toyota or Honda? Maybe? But I wouldn’t say it is VERY expensive. The regular maintenance fluids and filters aren’t that much more than a Honda, and the maintenance schedule means you’ll actually visit the dealer less often overall... for example, in 60k miles a Civic will have been serviced around 8 times or more (especially if you’re worried about dilution and changing oil early) including a few air filters and a couple transmission fluid changes. In the same mileage, the GTI will visit the dealer 6 times, have one transmission fluid change, and will just be having it’s first engine air filter change....are VERY expensive to maintain...
Trust me I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Honda is a big company cutting corners at every turn. I can't get anyone to chime back to me about the door clickers. You know those things that provide resistance and detents to the doors...they don't even last one year and have been same design for ten or so years. The mirrors are not only delicate thin plastic made in China but also cost 550 dollars without camera or heat.Literally dents on the pillars and I barely hit the passenger door with my knee and it dent the door but I was able to push it out back
I think the VW GTI is not really a 'competitor' of the 1.5 Hatch, but more like the Si's.I was hoping to get some thoughts. I’m getting rid of 07 civic and was looking at the 17 sport touring hatchback, but then I saw the 17 VW GTI SE. What are your thoughts on the two? I heard Honda’s reliability is going down and the 1.5T & CVT isn’t all that great. I heard the GTI are pretty good and haven’t had any major issues. Any thoughts to help me decide ?
The Si matched a GTI PP at Lightning Lap. But I don't really care about that. I wanted to buy a GTI so bad I test drove it 3 times trying to convince myself to buy it. I loved the look, the interior, the seats, the engine sounds nice and it's certainly fast and comfortable. Unfortunately it didn't do anything for me driving it. It feels like a modern BMW. I loved pre 2008 BMWs and owned two, but the GTI didn't feel like those at all. It's too refined and numb. That Everyday Driver show said the same thing about the GTI and Si.hahaa only in honda forums you will find a comparo of mk7.5 performance oriented engine /trans and car overall with a outright econobox. Any non R or Si civic is not even in the same league as the mk7.5 that being manual or dsg. the civic ext out of the box is more closely matched with the Mk6/mk7 golf/jetta tsi 1.4t or 1.8t. Lets put this to rest once and for all a car is a as reliable as the owner.Yes there is lemos and bad models out there. Here is my 1.8t at 137k miles which is 90% similar to the Ae888 2.0t on the gti. car has been run really hard for at least 40k miles and before that i did do spirited driving her and there . currently at 150kmiles and still gets 37.8mpg combined. still keeps up with cars 1 or 2 tiers above . Now that being said the civic styling as a bit different and some what appealing just don't have idea how much that appeal would last. Usually german designs are timeless or last a bit longer then domestic and some asian cars
The performance alone and aftermarket options are a huge plus for the Gti i mean you could make aver 475whp on stock block with a mk7.5 gti
OP has non Si or R model...The Si matched a GTI PP at Lightning Lap. But I don't really care about that. I wanted to buy a GTI so bad I test drove it 3 times trying to convince myself to buy it. I loved the look, the interior, the seats, the engine sounds nice and it's certainly fast and comfortable. Unfortunately it didn't do anything for me driving it. It feels like a modern BMW. I loved pre 2008 BMWs and owned two, but the GTI didn't feel like those at all. It's too refined and numb. That Everyday Driver show said the same thing about the GTI and Si.
I drove the Si and loved the steering, the brakes, the shifter, everything feels natural and communicative, even the Sport hatch 6MT was more fun to drive for me.
I tried a GLI but that felt quite different, you sit high up and the car feels huge. Didn't like it at all.
The GTI has huge mod potential but I didn't feel like the car needed more power, it needs to be more involving. I've driven a recent 435i M Sport, and it has the same issue for me.