Centering RING FOR SOME WHEELS?

[ayau]

OEM wheels don't need rings because the wheel bore size matches exactly with the wheel hub.

Aftermarket wheels need a hub ring to help center the wheel and is recommended by many aftermarket wheel companies. This is because the wheel bore is larger than the wheel hub. The rings help especially when you have a technician that isn't familiar with your car.

https://konigwheels.com/wheel-info-tech/hub-centric-and-centerbore/

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[Jotun]

OEM wheels don't need rings because the wheel bore size matches exactly with the wheel hub.

Aftermarket wheels need a hub ring to help center the wheel and is recommended by many aftermarket wheel companies. This is because the wheel bore is larger than the wheel hub. The rings help especially when you have a technician that isn't familiar with your car.

https://konigwheels.com/wheel-info-tech/hub-centric-and-centerbore/

You should probably read page 1. ???

 

[ayau]

You should probably read page 1. ???

That hub rings aren't necessary? They're recommended by pretty much every wheel manufacturer. Do you think you know more than them?

 

[Jotun]

You mean an aftermarket parts company thinks you need to spend more money? No way!!!!???

 

[ayau]

You mean an aftermarket parts company thinks you need to spend more money? No way!!!!???

Can you name a big aftermarket wheel company that actually sells hub rings? Weird that they recommend rings when they don't sell any themselves.

 

[ayau]

If that were the case, then the lugs would not have a self-centering features. The wheels would have flat surfaces for the lug nuts to mate to. But they don't. They have (all vehicles I know of) conical or spherical mating surfaces BECAUSE these are self-centering features.

Are you talking about aftermarket wheels or OEM wheels? If OEM, Toyota doesn't use self centering lug nuts.

 

[Jotun]

Can you name a big aftermarket wheel company that actually sells hub rings? Weird that they recommend rings when they don't sell any themselves.

Plenty do including Rays and Enkei.

 

[ayau]

Plenty do including Rays and Enkei.

Just think about it. Mount an aftermarket wheel w/o a ring onto the wheel hub, impact the first lug nut to about 80 ft lbs. Do you think that first lug perfectly centered the wheel?

This is how all mechanics will mount your wheel. This is why hub rings are used, so the wheel is already centered onto the hub before the lug nut is impacted onto the wheel hub. The mechanic isn't going to slowly torque each lug nut to 20 ft lbs in a star pattern, then go over all of them again at 80 ft lbs.

If hub centric didn't matter, why would OEM wheels be hub centric from the factory? Why would they specify a specific hub size for every OEM that's out there. The OEMs don't manufacture their own wheels.

 

[Jotun]

Just think about it. Mount an aftermarket wheel w/o a ring onto the wheel hub, impact the first lug nut to about 80 ft lbs. Do you think that first lug perfectly centered the wheel?

This is how all mechanics will mount your wheel. This is why hub rings are used, so the wheel is already centered onto the hub before the lug nut is impacted onto the wheel hub. The mechanic isn't going to slowly torque each lug nut to 20 ft lbs in a star pattern, then go over all of them again at 80 ft lbs.

Aftermarket conical lugs match the conical surface of the wheel. Therefore it’s lugcentric which is just as centered as hub centric. I don’t know anyone that uses hub rings and that’s on race tracks. ?

I also don’t have random mechanics touch my cars much less my wheel mounting.

 

[ayau]

Aftermarket conical lugs match the conical surface of the wheel. Therefore it’s lugcentric which is just as centered as hub centric. I don’t know anyone that uses hub rings and that’s on race tracks. ?

I also don’t have random mechanics touch my cars much less my wheel mounting.

There are plenty of OEM wheels that use conical lug nuts and are also hub centric.

good ol' because people who bring their cars to the track don't use them excuse. some don't run wheel weights because they'll melt off. does that mean you shouldn't run wheel weights on public roads?

 

[Jotun]

There are plenty of OEM wheels that use conical lug nuts and are also hub centric.

good ol' because people who bring their cars to the track don't use them excuse. some don't run wheel weights because they'll melt off. does that mean you shouldn't run wheel weights on public roads?

Never heard of not using wheel weights. ?

Tell me more about your track experience and knowledge. I’ve daily driven and tracked several cars with aftermarket wheels and no rings. Never a problem as they are lugcentric mounted. Do you suspect that your studs are off center or something?

 

[bbeem]

They're $10 dude. They're good insurance to make sure the wheel is lined up properly. Spending $1300+ on wheels and tires and neglecting $10 hubcentric rings is ignorant.

My enkies from tirerack came with junk plastic rings. Bought real nice aluminium stancemagic rings on Amazon. Just do it.
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[ayau]

Never heard of not using wheel weights. ?

Tell me more about your track experience and knowledge. I’ve daily driven and tracked several cars with aftermarket wheels and no rings. Never a problem as they are lugcentric mounted. Do you suspect that your studs are off center or something?

Never heard of them falling off from heat? Your track wheels/tires are probably out of balance after one event from flat spotting, tire wear, etc. Comparing track wheels to street wheels is pretty irrelevant.

Just because you haven't experienced any issues doesn't mean everyone won't. I'm not sure why there's even an argument over $10 rings. They can't hurt, right?

Also being lug centric doesn't mean you won't have vibrations. There's a TSB for VW Touaregs for steering wheel vibrations due to incorrect mounting of the wheel. Those also have lug centric rings from the factory.

https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Download/114585/V481504

 

[MadMage]

When someone says something is going to be aligned "perfectly" or "exactly" tells me that they do not know the first thing about mechanics or mechanical engineering.

If someone wants to go buy something to solve a problem they don't have. Great, go do that then. Enjoy.

 

[Jotun]

Never heard of them falling off from heat? Your track wheels/tires are probably out of balance after one event from flat spotting, tire wear, etc. Comparing track wheels to street wheels is pretty irrelevant.

Just because you haven't experienced any issues doesn't mean everyone won't. I'm not sure why there's even an argument over $10 rings. They can't hurt, right?

Also being lug centric doesn't mean you won't have vibrations. There's a TSB for VW Touaregs for steering wheel vibrations due to incorrect mounting of the wheel. Those also have lug centric rings from the factory.

https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Download/114585/V481504

I’ve never had a weight fall off from heat and I don’t know anyone that has. I also have never had out of balance wheels after track events. 200TW tires don’t act like Formula 1 tires, dude. I’ve never even flat spotted a 50/60 TW tire. And comparing aftermarket track wheels to aftermarket street wheels is definitely relevant.

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