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Hi again,
I thought it might be helpful to create a dedicated page to the C&R radiator. I know several members here including myself took the plunge and ordered them. I'll be sharing all of the data I have on it here on this thread and my build thread. Please feel free to share your experiences with the radiator if you have it and leave a comment if you have questions.
C&R/PWR background: "PWR provides world class cooling solutions by manufacturing high performance aluminium radiators, intercoolers and oil coolers for race cooling solutions to leading race categories and teams such as F1, NASCAR, V8 Supercars, Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters and World Rally Championship, PWR is recognised as a world leader when it comes to high performance cooling." C&R is one in the same with PWR. C&R is the stateside company and distributor for PWR. All C&R products are made with the same materials and specifications here in the USA.
There are two radiator options: street and track. The only difference between the two being fin height and amount of water tubes. 8.1mm fin height on the street and 4.85mm on the track. The total amount of water tubes is increased to 105 on the track which is an increase in 47%. This is ideal for track use because you can dissipate heat much quicker at high speeds with more fins and water tubes. Both radiators are 42mm thick with an all aluminum construction. No cutting or modifications needed.
C&R/PWR have a unique technology that separates them from other options on the market. They have louvered fins and a dimple core technology. The louvered fins help create more surface area for the air to contact. This increases cooling capability tremendously. To keep it simple, this overall creates a much more efficient cooling package and even more heat dissipation when compared to others on the market.
For ordering/inquiries please email [email protected] and let him know I sent you over.
My testimonial:
My first track day outing with the new " C&R track" radiator yielded some great results. I don't claim to be the fastest driver but I would consider myself faster than average. Enough to push the car to overheating essentially. I tried my hardest to get the car to overheat on a 104F track day here at Thunderhill West. It's a tight and technical track with a short straightaway. Top speed on this straight is anywhere from 90-100 MPH. With me pushing 10/10ths I wasn't able to get the car into limp mode. Coolant temperatures averaged around 230ish and peaked around 250 when behind traffic for a few laps. I hit 250F around halfway through my 20 minute session. I did 1 cool down lap and was on my way again for the rest of the session. Temps immediately fell to 190-200F. For such a hot day I was surprised I was able to keep consistently pushing and needing only 1 cool down lap. For reference, another CTR owner overheated within 3 laps while running 5 seconds slower in lap time. I might see even better temps by moving from the HKS IC to the C&R IC since it's thinner along with moving to a better tune. I ran the KTuner 1.1 tune which has really high low end torque. I suspect this tune created a ton of heat as some other users reported a decrease in top speed at Laguna Seca and Thunder Hill East 3 Mile. I'll be installing the new IC as well as flashing back to the KTuner Stage 1 dampened torque tune to see if it helps.
Street data might also be helpful here as I see ECT 2 consistently sit at 5-10F above ambient temperatures. I have a 30 minute commute to work mainly highway roughly traveling 65-75 mph. I had a few buddies try to create a similar scenario and they saw ECT 2 temps 30-40F above ambient. Not completely scientific here but kinda illustrates the efficiency of this radiator.
I know we can't use this one track day as solid proof, but so far the results are extremely promising. Stay tuned for more data regarding this radiator as I continue to track it.
Your results may vary! There are other things that will play a role into the cooling solution such as intercooler, tune, venting, oil cooling, etc. I've seen it time and time again people are recommending these huge intercoolers that block crucial air to the radiator. You're most likely better of staying with the stock IC. Per C&R, no larger than an 87mm IC core is recommended. For those interested, I will be creating another thread for their intercooler.
Here are pictures of my track radiator I received from PWR.
I thought it might be helpful to create a dedicated page to the C&R radiator. I know several members here including myself took the plunge and ordered them. I'll be sharing all of the data I have on it here on this thread and my build thread. Please feel free to share your experiences with the radiator if you have it and leave a comment if you have questions.
C&R/PWR background: "PWR provides world class cooling solutions by manufacturing high performance aluminium radiators, intercoolers and oil coolers for race cooling solutions to leading race categories and teams such as F1, NASCAR, V8 Supercars, Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters and World Rally Championship, PWR is recognised as a world leader when it comes to high performance cooling." C&R is one in the same with PWR. C&R is the stateside company and distributor for PWR. All C&R products are made with the same materials and specifications here in the USA.
There are two radiator options: street and track. The only difference between the two being fin height and amount of water tubes. 8.1mm fin height on the street and 4.85mm on the track. The total amount of water tubes is increased to 105 on the track which is an increase in 47%. This is ideal for track use because you can dissipate heat much quicker at high speeds with more fins and water tubes. Both radiators are 42mm thick with an all aluminum construction. No cutting or modifications needed.
C&R/PWR have a unique technology that separates them from other options on the market. They have louvered fins and a dimple core technology. The louvered fins help create more surface area for the air to contact. This increases cooling capability tremendously. To keep it simple, this overall creates a much more efficient cooling package and even more heat dissipation when compared to others on the market.
For ordering/inquiries please email [email protected] and let him know I sent you over.
My testimonial:
My first track day outing with the new " C&R track" radiator yielded some great results. I don't claim to be the fastest driver but I would consider myself faster than average. Enough to push the car to overheating essentially. I tried my hardest to get the car to overheat on a 104F track day here at Thunderhill West. It's a tight and technical track with a short straightaway. Top speed on this straight is anywhere from 90-100 MPH. With me pushing 10/10ths I wasn't able to get the car into limp mode. Coolant temperatures averaged around 230ish and peaked around 250 when behind traffic for a few laps. I hit 250F around halfway through my 20 minute session. I did 1 cool down lap and was on my way again for the rest of the session. Temps immediately fell to 190-200F. For such a hot day I was surprised I was able to keep consistently pushing and needing only 1 cool down lap. For reference, another CTR owner overheated within 3 laps while running 5 seconds slower in lap time. I might see even better temps by moving from the HKS IC to the C&R IC since it's thinner along with moving to a better tune. I ran the KTuner 1.1 tune which has really high low end torque. I suspect this tune created a ton of heat as some other users reported a decrease in top speed at Laguna Seca and Thunder Hill East 3 Mile. I'll be installing the new IC as well as flashing back to the KTuner Stage 1 dampened torque tune to see if it helps.
Street data might also be helpful here as I see ECT 2 consistently sit at 5-10F above ambient temperatures. I have a 30 minute commute to work mainly highway roughly traveling 65-75 mph. I had a few buddies try to create a similar scenario and they saw ECT 2 temps 30-40F above ambient. Not completely scientific here but kinda illustrates the efficiency of this radiator.
I know we can't use this one track day as solid proof, but so far the results are extremely promising. Stay tuned for more data regarding this radiator as I continue to track it.
Your results may vary! There are other things that will play a role into the cooling solution such as intercooler, tune, venting, oil cooling, etc. I've seen it time and time again people are recommending these huge intercoolers that block crucial air to the radiator. You're most likely better of staying with the stock IC. Per C&R, no larger than an 87mm IC core is recommended. For those interested, I will be creating another thread for their intercooler.
Here are pictures of my track radiator I received from PWR.